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I'm a time traveler. Yes I know it's amazing for you to grasp but once Jebsus invented time travel in the mid 54th century we all became time travelers (he open sourced it).
Now recently I came across a ring made of foreverium I would like to keep safe, said ring is one of a kind & can't be reproduced as it is made from the entire universe supply of foreverium atoms, a material which was only created in small quantities during the big bang. Aside from its rarity you can consider it being a normal ring in every way that matters.
Said material also makes this ring very expensive & I would like to keep it safe, the problem is how can I design a safe place to keep it when every thief on Earth can just time travel to a period where the safealarmetc broke down due to rustold ageetc?
You can assume the following:
- foreverium will always keep its state & shape.
- There is no more foreverium than what's in the ring.
- I can't move the ring or safe, I need to pick a spot where it will be safe,
- No living guards, the future is fully automated.
- Machines have a shelf life, no matter how long it is it will break at some point so the thief will be able to just time jump after that date to bypass a broken machinery.
- Money and resources are not a problem, if it can be done I can afford it.
- I can't hide it somewhere it will never be found, time travel leaves a very detectable signal which means every step I've taken in life since my first jump (which already happened) is tracked.
- Time travel is easy, it takes nothing more then a special wrist watch everyone has.
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I'm a time traveler. Yes I know it's amazing for you to grasp but once Jebsus invented time travel in the mid 54th century we all became time travelers (he open sourced it).
Now recently I came across a ring made of foreverium I would like to keep safe, said ring is one of a kind & can't be reproduced as it is made from the entire universe supply of foreverium atoms, a material which was only created in small quantities during the big bang. Aside from its rarity you can consider it being a normal ring in every way that matters.
Said material also makes this ring very expensive & I would like to keep it safe, the problem is how can I design a safe place to keep it when every thief on Earth can just time travel to a period where the safealarmetc broke down due to rustold ageetc?
You can assume the following:
- foreverium will always keep its state & shape.
- There is no more foreverium than what's in the ring.
- I can't move the ring or safe, I need to pick a spot where it will be safe,
- No living guards, the future is fully automated.
- Machines have a shelf life, no matter how long it is it will break at some point so the thief will be able to just time jump after that date to bypass a broken machinery.
- Money and resources are not a problem, if it can be done I can afford it.
- I can't hide it somewhere it will never be found, time travel leaves a very detectable signal which means every step I've taken in life since my first jump (which already happened) is tracked.
- Time travel is easy, it takes nothing more then a special wrist watch everyone has.
time-travel security
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In that case, store it in the lava of Mount Doom. Take a couple friends and walk there, make new friends along the way. When you want to retrieve it, drill it out of the granite. Set your ephemeral machines and lackeys merely to prevent anybody else mining upon your claim. Sauron might make a good lackey, he's long lived and comes with excellent references.
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Uh, what's to stop someone travelling back in time before you acquired it, and taking it for themselves? Or killing you before you acquired it? Or marrying one of your parents before you were born so as to become your father or mother (or whatever), and then killing you and becoming the executor of your estate? Or... etc etc ad nauseam. Time travel wrecks everything. Don't be doing that.
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You're going to need to provide more constraints on your time travel, especially on how malleable the timestream is.. If the past can be changed freely, the item will be acquired at the first point possible during a fight between the most powerful and ruthless time travellers capable of going there, possibly killing you in the process, before you can secure it. If the timestream can't be changed, just ask your future self if and where he kept it.
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What is to stop a thief from travelling to before you acquired the ring, and replacing with a fake? Or, from replacing a key player in your material sourcing (such as the locksmith who crafts your safe) and putting in an override?
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And, why would anyone want to steal it? Time travel means thieves would be caught nigh-instantly by cops or invisible drones that observe the crime. Unless there is some extra-special purpose that foreverium can be used for, what's the point? The thief would just have to go through the same rigmarole to not have it stolen off them!
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I'm a time traveler. Yes I know it's amazing for you to grasp but once Jebsus invented time travel in the mid 54th century we all became time travelers (he open sourced it).
Now recently I came across a ring made of foreverium I would like to keep safe, said ring is one of a kind & can't be reproduced as it is made from the entire universe supply of foreverium atoms, a material which was only created in small quantities during the big bang. Aside from its rarity you can consider it being a normal ring in every way that matters.
Said material also makes this ring very expensive & I would like to keep it safe, the problem is how can I design a safe place to keep it when every thief on Earth can just time travel to a period where the safealarmetc broke down due to rustold ageetc?
You can assume the following:
- foreverium will always keep its state & shape.
- There is no more foreverium than what's in the ring.
- I can't move the ring or safe, I need to pick a spot where it will be safe,
- No living guards, the future is fully automated.
- Machines have a shelf life, no matter how long it is it will break at some point so the thief will be able to just time jump after that date to bypass a broken machinery.
- Money and resources are not a problem, if it can be done I can afford it.
- I can't hide it somewhere it will never be found, time travel leaves a very detectable signal which means every step I've taken in life since my first jump (which already happened) is tracked.
- Time travel is easy, it takes nothing more then a special wrist watch everyone has.
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I'm a time traveler. Yes I know it's amazing for you to grasp but once Jebsus invented time travel in the mid 54th century we all became time travelers (he open sourced it).
Now recently I came across a ring made of foreverium I would like to keep safe, said ring is one of a kind & can't be reproduced as it is made from the entire universe supply of foreverium atoms, a material which was only created in small quantities during the big bang. Aside from its rarity you can consider it being a normal ring in every way that matters.
Said material also makes this ring very expensive & I would like to keep it safe, the problem is how can I design a safe place to keep it when every thief on Earth can just time travel to a period where the safealarmetc broke down due to rustold ageetc?
You can assume the following:
- foreverium will always keep its state & shape.
- There is no more foreverium than what's in the ring.
- I can't move the ring or safe, I need to pick a spot where it will be safe,
- No living guards, the future is fully automated.
- Machines have a shelf life, no matter how long it is it will break at some point so the thief will be able to just time jump after that date to bypass a broken machinery.
- Money and resources are not a problem, if it can be done I can afford it.
- I can't hide it somewhere it will never be found, time travel leaves a very detectable signal which means every step I've taken in life since my first jump (which already happened) is tracked.
- Time travel is easy, it takes nothing more then a special wrist watch everyone has.
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In that case, store it in the lava of Mount Doom. Take a couple friends and walk there, make new friends along the way. When you want to retrieve it, drill it out of the granite. Set your ephemeral machines and lackeys merely to prevent anybody else mining upon your claim. Sauron might make a good lackey, he's long lived and comes with excellent references.
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– user535733
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Uh, what's to stop someone travelling back in time before you acquired it, and taking it for themselves? Or killing you before you acquired it? Or marrying one of your parents before you were born so as to become your father or mother (or whatever), and then killing you and becoming the executor of your estate? Or... etc etc ad nauseam. Time travel wrecks everything. Don't be doing that.
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You're going to need to provide more constraints on your time travel, especially on how malleable the timestream is.. If the past can be changed freely, the item will be acquired at the first point possible during a fight between the most powerful and ruthless time travellers capable of going there, possibly killing you in the process, before you can secure it. If the timestream can't be changed, just ask your future self if and where he kept it.
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What is to stop a thief from travelling to before you acquired the ring, and replacing with a fake? Or, from replacing a key player in your material sourcing (such as the locksmith who crafts your safe) and putting in an override?
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4 hours ago
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And, why would anyone want to steal it? Time travel means thieves would be caught nigh-instantly by cops or invisible drones that observe the crime. Unless there is some extra-special purpose that foreverium can be used for, what's the point? The thief would just have to go through the same rigmarole to not have it stolen off them!
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In that case, store it in the lava of Mount Doom. Take a couple friends and walk there, make new friends along the way. When you want to retrieve it, drill it out of the granite. Set your ephemeral machines and lackeys merely to prevent anybody else mining upon your claim. Sauron might make a good lackey, he's long lived and comes with excellent references.
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– user535733
8 hours ago
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Uh, what's to stop someone travelling back in time before you acquired it, and taking it for themselves? Or killing you before you acquired it? Or marrying one of your parents before you were born so as to become your father or mother (or whatever), and then killing you and becoming the executor of your estate? Or... etc etc ad nauseam. Time travel wrecks everything. Don't be doing that.
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– Starfish Prime
8 hours ago
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You're going to need to provide more constraints on your time travel, especially on how malleable the timestream is.. If the past can be changed freely, the item will be acquired at the first point possible during a fight between the most powerful and ruthless time travellers capable of going there, possibly killing you in the process, before you can secure it. If the timestream can't be changed, just ask your future self if and where he kept it.
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– notovny
8 hours ago
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What is to stop a thief from travelling to before you acquired the ring, and replacing with a fake? Or, from replacing a key player in your material sourcing (such as the locksmith who crafts your safe) and putting in an override?
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– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
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And, why would anyone want to steal it? Time travel means thieves would be caught nigh-instantly by cops or invisible drones that observe the crime. Unless there is some extra-special purpose that foreverium can be used for, what's the point? The thief would just have to go through the same rigmarole to not have it stolen off them!
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– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
1
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In that case, store it in the lava of Mount Doom. Take a couple friends and walk there, make new friends along the way. When you want to retrieve it, drill it out of the granite. Set your ephemeral machines and lackeys merely to prevent anybody else mining upon your claim. Sauron might make a good lackey, he's long lived and comes with excellent references.
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– user535733
8 hours ago
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In that case, store it in the lava of Mount Doom. Take a couple friends and walk there, make new friends along the way. When you want to retrieve it, drill it out of the granite. Set your ephemeral machines and lackeys merely to prevent anybody else mining upon your claim. Sauron might make a good lackey, he's long lived and comes with excellent references.
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– user535733
8 hours ago
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Uh, what's to stop someone travelling back in time before you acquired it, and taking it for themselves? Or killing you before you acquired it? Or marrying one of your parents before you were born so as to become your father or mother (or whatever), and then killing you and becoming the executor of your estate? Or... etc etc ad nauseam. Time travel wrecks everything. Don't be doing that.
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– Starfish Prime
8 hours ago
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Uh, what's to stop someone travelling back in time before you acquired it, and taking it for themselves? Or killing you before you acquired it? Or marrying one of your parents before you were born so as to become your father or mother (or whatever), and then killing you and becoming the executor of your estate? Or... etc etc ad nauseam. Time travel wrecks everything. Don't be doing that.
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– Starfish Prime
8 hours ago
4
4
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You're going to need to provide more constraints on your time travel, especially on how malleable the timestream is.. If the past can be changed freely, the item will be acquired at the first point possible during a fight between the most powerful and ruthless time travellers capable of going there, possibly killing you in the process, before you can secure it. If the timestream can't be changed, just ask your future self if and where he kept it.
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– notovny
8 hours ago
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You're going to need to provide more constraints on your time travel, especially on how malleable the timestream is.. If the past can be changed freely, the item will be acquired at the first point possible during a fight between the most powerful and ruthless time travellers capable of going there, possibly killing you in the process, before you can secure it. If the timestream can't be changed, just ask your future self if and where he kept it.
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– notovny
8 hours ago
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What is to stop a thief from travelling to before you acquired the ring, and replacing with a fake? Or, from replacing a key player in your material sourcing (such as the locksmith who crafts your safe) and putting in an override?
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– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
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What is to stop a thief from travelling to before you acquired the ring, and replacing with a fake? Or, from replacing a key player in your material sourcing (such as the locksmith who crafts your safe) and putting in an override?
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– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
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And, why would anyone want to steal it? Time travel means thieves would be caught nigh-instantly by cops or invisible drones that observe the crime. Unless there is some extra-special purpose that foreverium can be used for, what's the point? The thief would just have to go through the same rigmarole to not have it stolen off them!
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– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
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And, why would anyone want to steal it? Time travel means thieves would be caught nigh-instantly by cops or invisible drones that observe the crime. Unless there is some extra-special purpose that foreverium can be used for, what's the point? The thief would just have to go through the same rigmarole to not have it stolen off them!
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Just track it
Since:
- Nothing other than foreverium is forever
- You're a time traveller
There's no real reason to worry about this ring, whoever has it right now is as ephemeral as any security system. All you need to do is know where and when the ring is at any given point and you can pick the thing up.
Wait until the end of time if you want to and just collect it when everyone else is done trying to keep it. Though finding out where and when it was made and collecting it direct from manufacturer would be more fun. Given the nature of the ring, the skills and knowledge of the manufacturer are far more valuable than the artifact itself anyway.
Let's consider a simple example.
The bedside table:
You don't want to be wearing the ring today. Leave it on your bedside table here and now. Collect it from here and now when you next want it. Time travel is like that.
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Oh, I like the bedside table idea. It is always safe because it is either on your person (assuming that is a safe thing) or on the table where literally no time will pass in which bad things could happen before you collect it next. +1 for that. Hell, you could skip the table and just give it to yourself.
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How does this make it safe? It's vulnerable to a simple mugging.
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@Innovine The moment someone tries to mug you, you are there to reinforce yourself. This will only not happen if you die, so make sure to check the news for anywhen you are likely to go - if you see news that you were killed then, don't go.
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@Innovine Or: Someone tries to mug you. Time-Police show up, stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. You go down to the TiPo station, give your statement. They then send cops to stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. Combined with regular "check-ins", and if you miss one then someone shadows you from the last check-in. If you die in the past, they can retrieve your body so as not to contaminate the timestream. If they save your life, you skip the next check-in, and go to the one after. (Check-ins are regular in real time, not your time)
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Install a time-machine alarm. The moment your safe fails or is on the verge of failing it sends a signal back to you. Now you can zip forward to that moment. Either replacing the safe with a new one or taking the ring back in time and placing in a brand new safe.
Repeat and rinse. You will remove the ring from the safe before any thief can strike. This will give a lifetime's hobby to keep you out of mischief.
This answer assumes you have placed the safe containing in a safe spot or several safe spots (depending on how many times you go forth and back to the future).
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Charles Stross, in the Merchant Princes series, had his characters deal with similar security problems in an analogous situation (certain people, while not able to truly time travel, could travel back and forth between the same place in alternative histories in a many worlds hypothesis type scenario).
For example, often they would put valuables at high elevations in places, where for some reason alternative historical timelines would not have been able to do so.
In some ways, a time travel scenario is easier. You just need to find a place that will stay in its current land use for more or less eternity and lock it up.
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How about having the safe itself (running off a permanent power supply of unobtanium or solar or something) autonomously jump around in time, analogous to spread-spectrum digital radar operation? You know the pattern and thus can get to it when you want to, but the chances of anyone else being able to track it are rather slim.
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"time travel leaves a very detectable signal which means every step I've taken in life since my first jump (which already happened) is tracked." Presumably, this means your safe will be trackable by the same method
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@Chronocidal Well, seeing as an Ainsible can only transport non-living stuff, I'm willing to believe that only living things leave a time-travel signature :-)
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The correct answer is to just join the crowd of time travelers getting their own foreverium ring at Evaporation Point.
Think about how you've described your foreverium ring for a second. It's immutable, unalterable, and undecay-able. So, what happens when the universe goes old? It survives heat death, it survives particle decay, and it survives at the center of the black hole that our galaxy will eventually turn into. And at some point, ~$10^1000$ years from now, that black hole will finally evaporate... leaving behind a foreverium ring.
Hah, no, just kidding. It won't leave behind one ring. Because if Alice decides she wants to grab a ring after that evaporation point and go back in time with it it... well, then, there'd be two of those foreverium rings in the past, wouldn't there? Which would mean there would actually be two rings when the black hole evaporated - the original one, and the one that Alice took back and had actually gone through the process twice. Which means there's one for Bob as well... except, if there were two people picking up rings, then there'd actually be three rings available: the original, the one Alice had, and the one Bob had.
In fact, you could have ten million people time travelling to Evaporation Point (the coolest spacetime point in the cosmos! Join the crowd!) and there would, conveniently enough, be exactly enough rings for everyone that shows up... with one additional ring left over.
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Just track it
Since:
- Nothing other than foreverium is forever
- You're a time traveller
There's no real reason to worry about this ring, whoever has it right now is as ephemeral as any security system. All you need to do is know where and when the ring is at any given point and you can pick the thing up.
Wait until the end of time if you want to and just collect it when everyone else is done trying to keep it. Though finding out where and when it was made and collecting it direct from manufacturer would be more fun. Given the nature of the ring, the skills and knowledge of the manufacturer are far more valuable than the artifact itself anyway.
Let's consider a simple example.
The bedside table:
You don't want to be wearing the ring today. Leave it on your bedside table here and now. Collect it from here and now when you next want it. Time travel is like that.
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Oh, I like the bedside table idea. It is always safe because it is either on your person (assuming that is a safe thing) or on the table where literally no time will pass in which bad things could happen before you collect it next. +1 for that. Hell, you could skip the table and just give it to yourself.
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How does this make it safe? It's vulnerable to a simple mugging.
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– Innovine
4 hours ago
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@Innovine The moment someone tries to mug you, you are there to reinforce yourself. This will only not happen if you die, so make sure to check the news for anywhen you are likely to go - if you see news that you were killed then, don't go.
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4 hours ago
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@Innovine Or: Someone tries to mug you. Time-Police show up, stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. You go down to the TiPo station, give your statement. They then send cops to stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. Combined with regular "check-ins", and if you miss one then someone shadows you from the last check-in. If you die in the past, they can retrieve your body so as not to contaminate the timestream. If they save your life, you skip the next check-in, and go to the one after. (Check-ins are regular in real time, not your time)
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Just track it
Since:
- Nothing other than foreverium is forever
- You're a time traveller
There's no real reason to worry about this ring, whoever has it right now is as ephemeral as any security system. All you need to do is know where and when the ring is at any given point and you can pick the thing up.
Wait until the end of time if you want to and just collect it when everyone else is done trying to keep it. Though finding out where and when it was made and collecting it direct from manufacturer would be more fun. Given the nature of the ring, the skills and knowledge of the manufacturer are far more valuable than the artifact itself anyway.
Let's consider a simple example.
The bedside table:
You don't want to be wearing the ring today. Leave it on your bedside table here and now. Collect it from here and now when you next want it. Time travel is like that.
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Oh, I like the bedside table idea. It is always safe because it is either on your person (assuming that is a safe thing) or on the table where literally no time will pass in which bad things could happen before you collect it next. +1 for that. Hell, you could skip the table and just give it to yourself.
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– Starfish Prime
7 hours ago
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How does this make it safe? It's vulnerable to a simple mugging.
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– Innovine
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Innovine The moment someone tries to mug you, you are there to reinforce yourself. This will only not happen if you die, so make sure to check the news for anywhen you are likely to go - if you see news that you were killed then, don't go.
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Innovine Or: Someone tries to mug you. Time-Police show up, stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. You go down to the TiPo station, give your statement. They then send cops to stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. Combined with regular "check-ins", and if you miss one then someone shadows you from the last check-in. If you die in the past, they can retrieve your body so as not to contaminate the timestream. If they save your life, you skip the next check-in, and go to the one after. (Check-ins are regular in real time, not your time)
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
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Just track it
Since:
- Nothing other than foreverium is forever
- You're a time traveller
There's no real reason to worry about this ring, whoever has it right now is as ephemeral as any security system. All you need to do is know where and when the ring is at any given point and you can pick the thing up.
Wait until the end of time if you want to and just collect it when everyone else is done trying to keep it. Though finding out where and when it was made and collecting it direct from manufacturer would be more fun. Given the nature of the ring, the skills and knowledge of the manufacturer are far more valuable than the artifact itself anyway.
Let's consider a simple example.
The bedside table:
You don't want to be wearing the ring today. Leave it on your bedside table here and now. Collect it from here and now when you next want it. Time travel is like that.
answered 8 hours ago
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Just track it
Since:
- Nothing other than foreverium is forever
- You're a time traveller
There's no real reason to worry about this ring, whoever has it right now is as ephemeral as any security system. All you need to do is know where and when the ring is at any given point and you can pick the thing up.
Wait until the end of time if you want to and just collect it when everyone else is done trying to keep it. Though finding out where and when it was made and collecting it direct from manufacturer would be more fun. Given the nature of the ring, the skills and knowledge of the manufacturer are far more valuable than the artifact itself anyway.
Let's consider a simple example.
The bedside table:
You don't want to be wearing the ring today. Leave it on your bedside table here and now. Collect it from here and now when you next want it. Time travel is like that.
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Oh, I like the bedside table idea. It is always safe because it is either on your person (assuming that is a safe thing) or on the table where literally no time will pass in which bad things could happen before you collect it next. +1 for that. Hell, you could skip the table and just give it to yourself.
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– Starfish Prime
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
How does this make it safe? It's vulnerable to a simple mugging.
$endgroup$
– Innovine
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Innovine The moment someone tries to mug you, you are there to reinforce yourself. This will only not happen if you die, so make sure to check the news for anywhen you are likely to go - if you see news that you were killed then, don't go.
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Innovine Or: Someone tries to mug you. Time-Police show up, stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. You go down to the TiPo station, give your statement. They then send cops to stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. Combined with regular "check-ins", and if you miss one then someone shadows you from the last check-in. If you die in the past, they can retrieve your body so as not to contaminate the timestream. If they save your life, you skip the next check-in, and go to the one after. (Check-ins are regular in real time, not your time)
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
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Oh, I like the bedside table idea. It is always safe because it is either on your person (assuming that is a safe thing) or on the table where literally no time will pass in which bad things could happen before you collect it next. +1 for that. Hell, you could skip the table and just give it to yourself.
$endgroup$
– Starfish Prime
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
How does this make it safe? It's vulnerable to a simple mugging.
$endgroup$
– Innovine
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Innovine The moment someone tries to mug you, you are there to reinforce yourself. This will only not happen if you die, so make sure to check the news for anywhen you are likely to go - if you see news that you were killed then, don't go.
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Innovine Or: Someone tries to mug you. Time-Police show up, stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. You go down to the TiPo station, give your statement. They then send cops to stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. Combined with regular "check-ins", and if you miss one then someone shadows you from the last check-in. If you die in the past, they can retrieve your body so as not to contaminate the timestream. If they save your life, you skip the next check-in, and go to the one after. (Check-ins are regular in real time, not your time)
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
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Oh, I like the bedside table idea. It is always safe because it is either on your person (assuming that is a safe thing) or on the table where literally no time will pass in which bad things could happen before you collect it next. +1 for that. Hell, you could skip the table and just give it to yourself.
$endgroup$
– Starfish Prime
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Oh, I like the bedside table idea. It is always safe because it is either on your person (assuming that is a safe thing) or on the table where literally no time will pass in which bad things could happen before you collect it next. +1 for that. Hell, you could skip the table and just give it to yourself.
$endgroup$
– Starfish Prime
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
How does this make it safe? It's vulnerable to a simple mugging.
$endgroup$
– Innovine
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
How does this make it safe? It's vulnerable to a simple mugging.
$endgroup$
– Innovine
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Innovine The moment someone tries to mug you, you are there to reinforce yourself. This will only not happen if you die, so make sure to check the news for anywhen you are likely to go - if you see news that you were killed then, don't go.
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Innovine The moment someone tries to mug you, you are there to reinforce yourself. This will only not happen if you die, so make sure to check the news for anywhen you are likely to go - if you see news that you were killed then, don't go.
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Innovine Or: Someone tries to mug you. Time-Police show up, stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. You go down to the TiPo station, give your statement. They then send cops to stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. Combined with regular "check-ins", and if you miss one then someone shadows you from the last check-in. If you die in the past, they can retrieve your body so as not to contaminate the timestream. If they save your life, you skip the next check-in, and go to the one after. (Check-ins are regular in real time, not your time)
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Innovine Or: Someone tries to mug you. Time-Police show up, stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. You go down to the TiPo station, give your statement. They then send cops to stop the mugging, and arrest the criminal. Combined with regular "check-ins", and if you miss one then someone shadows you from the last check-in. If you die in the past, they can retrieve your body so as not to contaminate the timestream. If they save your life, you skip the next check-in, and go to the one after. (Check-ins are regular in real time, not your time)
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– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
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Install a time-machine alarm. The moment your safe fails or is on the verge of failing it sends a signal back to you. Now you can zip forward to that moment. Either replacing the safe with a new one or taking the ring back in time and placing in a brand new safe.
Repeat and rinse. You will remove the ring from the safe before any thief can strike. This will give a lifetime's hobby to keep you out of mischief.
This answer assumes you have placed the safe containing in a safe spot or several safe spots (depending on how many times you go forth and back to the future).
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Install a time-machine alarm. The moment your safe fails or is on the verge of failing it sends a signal back to you. Now you can zip forward to that moment. Either replacing the safe with a new one or taking the ring back in time and placing in a brand new safe.
Repeat and rinse. You will remove the ring from the safe before any thief can strike. This will give a lifetime's hobby to keep you out of mischief.
This answer assumes you have placed the safe containing in a safe spot or several safe spots (depending on how many times you go forth and back to the future).
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Install a time-machine alarm. The moment your safe fails or is on the verge of failing it sends a signal back to you. Now you can zip forward to that moment. Either replacing the safe with a new one or taking the ring back in time and placing in a brand new safe.
Repeat and rinse. You will remove the ring from the safe before any thief can strike. This will give a lifetime's hobby to keep you out of mischief.
This answer assumes you have placed the safe containing in a safe spot or several safe spots (depending on how many times you go forth and back to the future).
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Install a time-machine alarm. The moment your safe fails or is on the verge of failing it sends a signal back to you. Now you can zip forward to that moment. Either replacing the safe with a new one or taking the ring back in time and placing in a brand new safe.
Repeat and rinse. You will remove the ring from the safe before any thief can strike. This will give a lifetime's hobby to keep you out of mischief.
This answer assumes you have placed the safe containing in a safe spot or several safe spots (depending on how many times you go forth and back to the future).
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Charles Stross, in the Merchant Princes series, had his characters deal with similar security problems in an analogous situation (certain people, while not able to truly time travel, could travel back and forth between the same place in alternative histories in a many worlds hypothesis type scenario).
For example, often they would put valuables at high elevations in places, where for some reason alternative historical timelines would not have been able to do so.
In some ways, a time travel scenario is easier. You just need to find a place that will stay in its current land use for more or less eternity and lock it up.
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Charles Stross, in the Merchant Princes series, had his characters deal with similar security problems in an analogous situation (certain people, while not able to truly time travel, could travel back and forth between the same place in alternative histories in a many worlds hypothesis type scenario).
For example, often they would put valuables at high elevations in places, where for some reason alternative historical timelines would not have been able to do so.
In some ways, a time travel scenario is easier. You just need to find a place that will stay in its current land use for more or less eternity and lock it up.
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Charles Stross, in the Merchant Princes series, had his characters deal with similar security problems in an analogous situation (certain people, while not able to truly time travel, could travel back and forth between the same place in alternative histories in a many worlds hypothesis type scenario).
For example, often they would put valuables at high elevations in places, where for some reason alternative historical timelines would not have been able to do so.
In some ways, a time travel scenario is easier. You just need to find a place that will stay in its current land use for more or less eternity and lock it up.
answered 5 hours ago
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Charles Stross, in the Merchant Princes series, had his characters deal with similar security problems in an analogous situation (certain people, while not able to truly time travel, could travel back and forth between the same place in alternative histories in a many worlds hypothesis type scenario).
For example, often they would put valuables at high elevations in places, where for some reason alternative historical timelines would not have been able to do so.
In some ways, a time travel scenario is easier. You just need to find a place that will stay in its current land use for more or less eternity and lock it up.
answered 5 hours ago
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How about having the safe itself (running off a permanent power supply of unobtanium or solar or something) autonomously jump around in time, analogous to spread-spectrum digital radar operation? You know the pattern and thus can get to it when you want to, but the chances of anyone else being able to track it are rather slim.
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"time travel leaves a very detectable signal which means every step I've taken in life since my first jump (which already happened) is tracked." Presumably, this means your safe will be trackable by the same method
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– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
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@Chronocidal Well, seeing as an Ainsible can only transport non-living stuff, I'm willing to believe that only living things leave a time-travel signature :-)
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– Carl Witthoft
2 hours ago
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How about having the safe itself (running off a permanent power supply of unobtanium or solar or something) autonomously jump around in time, analogous to spread-spectrum digital radar operation? You know the pattern and thus can get to it when you want to, but the chances of anyone else being able to track it are rather slim.
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"time travel leaves a very detectable signal which means every step I've taken in life since my first jump (which already happened) is tracked." Presumably, this means your safe will be trackable by the same method
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
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@Chronocidal Well, seeing as an Ainsible can only transport non-living stuff, I'm willing to believe that only living things leave a time-travel signature :-)
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
2 hours ago
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How about having the safe itself (running off a permanent power supply of unobtanium or solar or something) autonomously jump around in time, analogous to spread-spectrum digital radar operation? You know the pattern and thus can get to it when you want to, but the chances of anyone else being able to track it are rather slim.
answered 4 hours ago
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How about having the safe itself (running off a permanent power supply of unobtanium or solar or something) autonomously jump around in time, analogous to spread-spectrum digital radar operation? You know the pattern and thus can get to it when you want to, but the chances of anyone else being able to track it are rather slim.
answered 4 hours ago
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"time travel leaves a very detectable signal which means every step I've taken in life since my first jump (which already happened) is tracked." Presumably, this means your safe will be trackable by the same method
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Chronocidal Well, seeing as an Ainsible can only transport non-living stuff, I'm willing to believe that only living things leave a time-travel signature :-)
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– Carl Witthoft
2 hours ago
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"time travel leaves a very detectable signal which means every step I've taken in life since my first jump (which already happened) is tracked." Presumably, this means your safe will be trackable by the same method
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Chronocidal Well, seeing as an Ainsible can only transport non-living stuff, I'm willing to believe that only living things leave a time-travel signature :-)
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
"time travel leaves a very detectable signal which means every step I've taken in life since my first jump (which already happened) is tracked." Presumably, this means your safe will be trackable by the same method
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
"time travel leaves a very detectable signal which means every step I've taken in life since my first jump (which already happened) is tracked." Presumably, this means your safe will be trackable by the same method
$endgroup$
– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Chronocidal Well, seeing as an Ainsible can only transport non-living stuff, I'm willing to believe that only living things leave a time-travel signature :-)
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
2 hours ago
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@Chronocidal Well, seeing as an Ainsible can only transport non-living stuff, I'm willing to believe that only living things leave a time-travel signature :-)
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The correct answer is to just join the crowd of time travelers getting their own foreverium ring at Evaporation Point.
Think about how you've described your foreverium ring for a second. It's immutable, unalterable, and undecay-able. So, what happens when the universe goes old? It survives heat death, it survives particle decay, and it survives at the center of the black hole that our galaxy will eventually turn into. And at some point, ~$10^1000$ years from now, that black hole will finally evaporate... leaving behind a foreverium ring.
Hah, no, just kidding. It won't leave behind one ring. Because if Alice decides she wants to grab a ring after that evaporation point and go back in time with it it... well, then, there'd be two of those foreverium rings in the past, wouldn't there? Which would mean there would actually be two rings when the black hole evaporated - the original one, and the one that Alice took back and had actually gone through the process twice. Which means there's one for Bob as well... except, if there were two people picking up rings, then there'd actually be three rings available: the original, the one Alice had, and the one Bob had.
In fact, you could have ten million people time travelling to Evaporation Point (the coolest spacetime point in the cosmos! Join the crowd!) and there would, conveniently enough, be exactly enough rings for everyone that shows up... with one additional ring left over.
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The correct answer is to just join the crowd of time travelers getting their own foreverium ring at Evaporation Point.
Think about how you've described your foreverium ring for a second. It's immutable, unalterable, and undecay-able. So, what happens when the universe goes old? It survives heat death, it survives particle decay, and it survives at the center of the black hole that our galaxy will eventually turn into. And at some point, ~$10^1000$ years from now, that black hole will finally evaporate... leaving behind a foreverium ring.
Hah, no, just kidding. It won't leave behind one ring. Because if Alice decides she wants to grab a ring after that evaporation point and go back in time with it it... well, then, there'd be two of those foreverium rings in the past, wouldn't there? Which would mean there would actually be two rings when the black hole evaporated - the original one, and the one that Alice took back and had actually gone through the process twice. Which means there's one for Bob as well... except, if there were two people picking up rings, then there'd actually be three rings available: the original, the one Alice had, and the one Bob had.
In fact, you could have ten million people time travelling to Evaporation Point (the coolest spacetime point in the cosmos! Join the crowd!) and there would, conveniently enough, be exactly enough rings for everyone that shows up... with one additional ring left over.
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The correct answer is to just join the crowd of time travelers getting their own foreverium ring at Evaporation Point.
Think about how you've described your foreverium ring for a second. It's immutable, unalterable, and undecay-able. So, what happens when the universe goes old? It survives heat death, it survives particle decay, and it survives at the center of the black hole that our galaxy will eventually turn into. And at some point, ~$10^1000$ years from now, that black hole will finally evaporate... leaving behind a foreverium ring.
Hah, no, just kidding. It won't leave behind one ring. Because if Alice decides she wants to grab a ring after that evaporation point and go back in time with it it... well, then, there'd be two of those foreverium rings in the past, wouldn't there? Which would mean there would actually be two rings when the black hole evaporated - the original one, and the one that Alice took back and had actually gone through the process twice. Which means there's one for Bob as well... except, if there were two people picking up rings, then there'd actually be three rings available: the original, the one Alice had, and the one Bob had.
In fact, you could have ten million people time travelling to Evaporation Point (the coolest spacetime point in the cosmos! Join the crowd!) and there would, conveniently enough, be exactly enough rings for everyone that shows up... with one additional ring left over.
answered 5 mins ago
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The correct answer is to just join the crowd of time travelers getting their own foreverium ring at Evaporation Point.
Think about how you've described your foreverium ring for a second. It's immutable, unalterable, and undecay-able. So, what happens when the universe goes old? It survives heat death, it survives particle decay, and it survives at the center of the black hole that our galaxy will eventually turn into. And at some point, ~$10^1000$ years from now, that black hole will finally evaporate... leaving behind a foreverium ring.
Hah, no, just kidding. It won't leave behind one ring. Because if Alice decides she wants to grab a ring after that evaporation point and go back in time with it it... well, then, there'd be two of those foreverium rings in the past, wouldn't there? Which would mean there would actually be two rings when the black hole evaporated - the original one, and the one that Alice took back and had actually gone through the process twice. Which means there's one for Bob as well... except, if there were two people picking up rings, then there'd actually be three rings available: the original, the one Alice had, and the one Bob had.
In fact, you could have ten million people time travelling to Evaporation Point (the coolest spacetime point in the cosmos! Join the crowd!) and there would, conveniently enough, be exactly enough rings for everyone that shows up... with one additional ring left over.
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In that case, store it in the lava of Mount Doom. Take a couple friends and walk there, make new friends along the way. When you want to retrieve it, drill it out of the granite. Set your ephemeral machines and lackeys merely to prevent anybody else mining upon your claim. Sauron might make a good lackey, he's long lived and comes with excellent references.
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– user535733
8 hours ago
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Uh, what's to stop someone travelling back in time before you acquired it, and taking it for themselves? Or killing you before you acquired it? Or marrying one of your parents before you were born so as to become your father or mother (or whatever), and then killing you and becoming the executor of your estate? Or... etc etc ad nauseam. Time travel wrecks everything. Don't be doing that.
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– Starfish Prime
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You're going to need to provide more constraints on your time travel, especially on how malleable the timestream is.. If the past can be changed freely, the item will be acquired at the first point possible during a fight between the most powerful and ruthless time travellers capable of going there, possibly killing you in the process, before you can secure it. If the timestream can't be changed, just ask your future self if and where he kept it.
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– notovny
8 hours ago
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What is to stop a thief from travelling to before you acquired the ring, and replacing with a fake? Or, from replacing a key player in your material sourcing (such as the locksmith who crafts your safe) and putting in an override?
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– Chronocidal
4 hours ago
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And, why would anyone want to steal it? Time travel means thieves would be caught nigh-instantly by cops or invisible drones that observe the crime. Unless there is some extra-special purpose that foreverium can be used for, what's the point? The thief would just have to go through the same rigmarole to not have it stolen off them!
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– Chronocidal
4 hours ago