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Can chords be inferred from melody alone?
Whole finger callous - for barre chords?Strategies for choosing chords for an arrangementHow to make a melody line more full and interesting (piano)?Does a melody (which will be used with chords) need to have the notes in the same scale?How to put chords (POP-EDM) under a given lead vocal melody (starting from a good knowledge in music theory)Is it acceptable to duplicate notes between vocal and piano part?How do I know which position to use when I'm playing by earPlaying matching chords to melody by earSinging along to guitar chords (harmony)Note not in triads chords
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Some vids about arranging on fingerstyle guitar say to figure out the chords first either by ear or through tabs, then to play the melody on top of them. But that seems like too much work. For one, even if I know the chord I'd have to start thinking of the different ways to play that chord all over the fretboard so it could be played next to the melody note I want.
Instead, I thought that chords could be inferred from the melody. For example first I find the melody by ear. Then for each melody note I’d like a chord on, I add a bass note (from 6th/5th strings) that sounds good with it and then add middle notes (from 4th/3rd strings) and eventually the chords reveals itself from the shape I formed.
So I just keep adding supporting notes to the melody until I have my chord. And I keep doing this to find the other chords. Sometimes I don’t even bother to know what the name of the chord is (especially if it’s somewhere in the middle of the fretboard) as long as it just sounds “good” with my melody note. So I was wondering if this is right. Can chords be found from the melody alone when arranging?
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Some vids about arranging on fingerstyle guitar say to figure out the chords first either by ear or through tabs, then to play the melody on top of them. But that seems like too much work. For one, even if I know the chord I'd have to start thinking of the different ways to play that chord all over the fretboard so it could be played next to the melody note I want.
Instead, I thought that chords could be inferred from the melody. For example first I find the melody by ear. Then for each melody note I’d like a chord on, I add a bass note (from 6th/5th strings) that sounds good with it and then add middle notes (from 4th/3rd strings) and eventually the chords reveals itself from the shape I formed.
So I just keep adding supporting notes to the melody until I have my chord. And I keep doing this to find the other chords. Sometimes I don’t even bother to know what the name of the chord is (especially if it’s somewhere in the middle of the fretboard) as long as it just sounds “good” with my melody note. So I was wondering if this is right. Can chords be found from the melody alone when arranging?
chords melody arranging
Yes, it has to do with perception and memory.
– jjmusicnotes
8 hours ago
2
If you take a melody you are unfamiliar with and come up with “chords that work” with that melody the possibilities are endless based on the style, the taste of the arranger and a million other factors. You may come up with chords but you may also have a different song when you are done.
– b3ko
7 hours ago
I've noted that the original harmonization of "Rose of May" from Final Fantasy IX is not quite the harmonization I would have used--it's off by some chords. I've also often ended up minorly reharmonizing other video game themes I've arranged.
– Dekkadeci
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Some vids about arranging on fingerstyle guitar say to figure out the chords first either by ear or through tabs, then to play the melody on top of them. But that seems like too much work. For one, even if I know the chord I'd have to start thinking of the different ways to play that chord all over the fretboard so it could be played next to the melody note I want.
Instead, I thought that chords could be inferred from the melody. For example first I find the melody by ear. Then for each melody note I’d like a chord on, I add a bass note (from 6th/5th strings) that sounds good with it and then add middle notes (from 4th/3rd strings) and eventually the chords reveals itself from the shape I formed.
So I just keep adding supporting notes to the melody until I have my chord. And I keep doing this to find the other chords. Sometimes I don’t even bother to know what the name of the chord is (especially if it’s somewhere in the middle of the fretboard) as long as it just sounds “good” with my melody note. So I was wondering if this is right. Can chords be found from the melody alone when arranging?
chords melody arranging
Some vids about arranging on fingerstyle guitar say to figure out the chords first either by ear or through tabs, then to play the melody on top of them. But that seems like too much work. For one, even if I know the chord I'd have to start thinking of the different ways to play that chord all over the fretboard so it could be played next to the melody note I want.
Instead, I thought that chords could be inferred from the melody. For example first I find the melody by ear. Then for each melody note I’d like a chord on, I add a bass note (from 6th/5th strings) that sounds good with it and then add middle notes (from 4th/3rd strings) and eventually the chords reveals itself from the shape I formed.
So I just keep adding supporting notes to the melody until I have my chord. And I keep doing this to find the other chords. Sometimes I don’t even bother to know what the name of the chord is (especially if it’s somewhere in the middle of the fretboard) as long as it just sounds “good” with my melody note. So I was wondering if this is right. Can chords be found from the melody alone when arranging?
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Yes, it has to do with perception and memory.
– jjmusicnotes
8 hours ago
2
If you take a melody you are unfamiliar with and come up with “chords that work” with that melody the possibilities are endless based on the style, the taste of the arranger and a million other factors. You may come up with chords but you may also have a different song when you are done.
– b3ko
7 hours ago
I've noted that the original harmonization of "Rose of May" from Final Fantasy IX is not quite the harmonization I would have used--it's off by some chords. I've also often ended up minorly reharmonizing other video game themes I've arranged.
– Dekkadeci
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes, it has to do with perception and memory.
– jjmusicnotes
8 hours ago
2
If you take a melody you are unfamiliar with and come up with “chords that work” with that melody the possibilities are endless based on the style, the taste of the arranger and a million other factors. You may come up with chords but you may also have a different song when you are done.
– b3ko
7 hours ago
I've noted that the original harmonization of "Rose of May" from Final Fantasy IX is not quite the harmonization I would have used--it's off by some chords. I've also often ended up minorly reharmonizing other video game themes I've arranged.
– Dekkadeci
3 hours ago
Yes, it has to do with perception and memory.
– jjmusicnotes
8 hours ago
Yes, it has to do with perception and memory.
– jjmusicnotes
8 hours ago
2
2
If you take a melody you are unfamiliar with and come up with “chords that work” with that melody the possibilities are endless based on the style, the taste of the arranger and a million other factors. You may come up with chords but you may also have a different song when you are done.
– b3ko
7 hours ago
If you take a melody you are unfamiliar with and come up with “chords that work” with that melody the possibilities are endless based on the style, the taste of the arranger and a million other factors. You may come up with chords but you may also have a different song when you are done.
– b3ko
7 hours ago
I've noted that the original harmonization of "Rose of May" from Final Fantasy IX is not quite the harmonization I would have used--it's off by some chords. I've also often ended up minorly reharmonizing other video game themes I've arranged.
– Dekkadeci
3 hours ago
I've noted that the original harmonization of "Rose of May" from Final Fantasy IX is not quite the harmonization I would have used--it's off by some chords. I've also often ended up minorly reharmonizing other video game themes I've arranged.
– Dekkadeci
3 hours ago
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No, not if by inferred you mean unambiguously deduced. For example, organists have developed the reharmonization of hymn tunes into a fine art.
Yes, if by inferred you mean finding chords that more or less fit. That's because harmonization is possible at all. Some sequences of chords will fit better (by various criteria) than others, of course.
Postscript: Béla Fleck and the Flecktones' The Star-Spangled Banner is reharmonized so imaginatively that, without a spoiler (as I've done here), few can guess the melody, albeit never disguised, until the conventional harmony returns at "And the rocket's red glare."
A song could be harmonized in multiple ways so there won't ever be a situation where it's "unambiguously deduced". Two arrangers might pick different chords based on their taste.
– foreyez
7 hours ago
1
Reharmonization is also ubiquitous in jazz music.
– Your Uncle Bob
7 hours ago
And in Brahms, and in probably any genre that has a concept of chord! I just picked a genre that makes a big deal of teaching how to reharmonize.
– Camille Goudeseune
6 hours ago
add a comment |
It's very style dependent, but yes melody can imply harmony (chords.)
I think a crucial aspect is to not think one note at a time. Look for melodic segments that match common harmonic patterns.
Let's say you are in C
major. The melody tone is G
. As a single note it isn't clear how to harmonize it. It could be a I
or V
chord. Now imagine the melodic segment is G F E
. It's much clearer the harmony could be V V7 I
. Of course it could be harmonized other ways too. But the point is to look for common melodic patterns when thinking about the harmonic implications of a melody.
And of course there are melodies that outline chords. Like a melody of C E G
. An obvious harmonization is to just harmonize that with a C
major chord.
yep that's a good point, the melody notes often trace the outline of a chord. but often, just whatever "sounds good" seems good enough. I noticed academia tends to make harmonization formulaic.
– foreyez
5 hours ago
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No, not if by inferred you mean unambiguously deduced. For example, organists have developed the reharmonization of hymn tunes into a fine art.
Yes, if by inferred you mean finding chords that more or less fit. That's because harmonization is possible at all. Some sequences of chords will fit better (by various criteria) than others, of course.
Postscript: Béla Fleck and the Flecktones' The Star-Spangled Banner is reharmonized so imaginatively that, without a spoiler (as I've done here), few can guess the melody, albeit never disguised, until the conventional harmony returns at "And the rocket's red glare."
A song could be harmonized in multiple ways so there won't ever be a situation where it's "unambiguously deduced". Two arrangers might pick different chords based on their taste.
– foreyez
7 hours ago
1
Reharmonization is also ubiquitous in jazz music.
– Your Uncle Bob
7 hours ago
And in Brahms, and in probably any genre that has a concept of chord! I just picked a genre that makes a big deal of teaching how to reharmonize.
– Camille Goudeseune
6 hours ago
add a comment |
No, not if by inferred you mean unambiguously deduced. For example, organists have developed the reharmonization of hymn tunes into a fine art.
Yes, if by inferred you mean finding chords that more or less fit. That's because harmonization is possible at all. Some sequences of chords will fit better (by various criteria) than others, of course.
Postscript: Béla Fleck and the Flecktones' The Star-Spangled Banner is reharmonized so imaginatively that, without a spoiler (as I've done here), few can guess the melody, albeit never disguised, until the conventional harmony returns at "And the rocket's red glare."
A song could be harmonized in multiple ways so there won't ever be a situation where it's "unambiguously deduced". Two arrangers might pick different chords based on their taste.
– foreyez
7 hours ago
1
Reharmonization is also ubiquitous in jazz music.
– Your Uncle Bob
7 hours ago
And in Brahms, and in probably any genre that has a concept of chord! I just picked a genre that makes a big deal of teaching how to reharmonize.
– Camille Goudeseune
6 hours ago
add a comment |
No, not if by inferred you mean unambiguously deduced. For example, organists have developed the reharmonization of hymn tunes into a fine art.
Yes, if by inferred you mean finding chords that more or less fit. That's because harmonization is possible at all. Some sequences of chords will fit better (by various criteria) than others, of course.
Postscript: Béla Fleck and the Flecktones' The Star-Spangled Banner is reharmonized so imaginatively that, without a spoiler (as I've done here), few can guess the melody, albeit never disguised, until the conventional harmony returns at "And the rocket's red glare."
No, not if by inferred you mean unambiguously deduced. For example, organists have developed the reharmonization of hymn tunes into a fine art.
Yes, if by inferred you mean finding chords that more or less fit. That's because harmonization is possible at all. Some sequences of chords will fit better (by various criteria) than others, of course.
Postscript: Béla Fleck and the Flecktones' The Star-Spangled Banner is reharmonized so imaginatively that, without a spoiler (as I've done here), few can guess the melody, albeit never disguised, until the conventional harmony returns at "And the rocket's red glare."
edited 1 hour ago
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A song could be harmonized in multiple ways so there won't ever be a situation where it's "unambiguously deduced". Two arrangers might pick different chords based on their taste.
– foreyez
7 hours ago
1
Reharmonization is also ubiquitous in jazz music.
– Your Uncle Bob
7 hours ago
And in Brahms, and in probably any genre that has a concept of chord! I just picked a genre that makes a big deal of teaching how to reharmonize.
– Camille Goudeseune
6 hours ago
add a comment |
A song could be harmonized in multiple ways so there won't ever be a situation where it's "unambiguously deduced". Two arrangers might pick different chords based on their taste.
– foreyez
7 hours ago
1
Reharmonization is also ubiquitous in jazz music.
– Your Uncle Bob
7 hours ago
And in Brahms, and in probably any genre that has a concept of chord! I just picked a genre that makes a big deal of teaching how to reharmonize.
– Camille Goudeseune
6 hours ago
A song could be harmonized in multiple ways so there won't ever be a situation where it's "unambiguously deduced". Two arrangers might pick different chords based on their taste.
– foreyez
7 hours ago
A song could be harmonized in multiple ways so there won't ever be a situation where it's "unambiguously deduced". Two arrangers might pick different chords based on their taste.
– foreyez
7 hours ago
1
1
Reharmonization is also ubiquitous in jazz music.
– Your Uncle Bob
7 hours ago
Reharmonization is also ubiquitous in jazz music.
– Your Uncle Bob
7 hours ago
And in Brahms, and in probably any genre that has a concept of chord! I just picked a genre that makes a big deal of teaching how to reharmonize.
– Camille Goudeseune
6 hours ago
And in Brahms, and in probably any genre that has a concept of chord! I just picked a genre that makes a big deal of teaching how to reharmonize.
– Camille Goudeseune
6 hours ago
add a comment |
It's very style dependent, but yes melody can imply harmony (chords.)
I think a crucial aspect is to not think one note at a time. Look for melodic segments that match common harmonic patterns.
Let's say you are in C
major. The melody tone is G
. As a single note it isn't clear how to harmonize it. It could be a I
or V
chord. Now imagine the melodic segment is G F E
. It's much clearer the harmony could be V V7 I
. Of course it could be harmonized other ways too. But the point is to look for common melodic patterns when thinking about the harmonic implications of a melody.
And of course there are melodies that outline chords. Like a melody of C E G
. An obvious harmonization is to just harmonize that with a C
major chord.
yep that's a good point, the melody notes often trace the outline of a chord. but often, just whatever "sounds good" seems good enough. I noticed academia tends to make harmonization formulaic.
– foreyez
5 hours ago
add a comment |
It's very style dependent, but yes melody can imply harmony (chords.)
I think a crucial aspect is to not think one note at a time. Look for melodic segments that match common harmonic patterns.
Let's say you are in C
major. The melody tone is G
. As a single note it isn't clear how to harmonize it. It could be a I
or V
chord. Now imagine the melodic segment is G F E
. It's much clearer the harmony could be V V7 I
. Of course it could be harmonized other ways too. But the point is to look for common melodic patterns when thinking about the harmonic implications of a melody.
And of course there are melodies that outline chords. Like a melody of C E G
. An obvious harmonization is to just harmonize that with a C
major chord.
yep that's a good point, the melody notes often trace the outline of a chord. but often, just whatever "sounds good" seems good enough. I noticed academia tends to make harmonization formulaic.
– foreyez
5 hours ago
add a comment |
It's very style dependent, but yes melody can imply harmony (chords.)
I think a crucial aspect is to not think one note at a time. Look for melodic segments that match common harmonic patterns.
Let's say you are in C
major. The melody tone is G
. As a single note it isn't clear how to harmonize it. It could be a I
or V
chord. Now imagine the melodic segment is G F E
. It's much clearer the harmony could be V V7 I
. Of course it could be harmonized other ways too. But the point is to look for common melodic patterns when thinking about the harmonic implications of a melody.
And of course there are melodies that outline chords. Like a melody of C E G
. An obvious harmonization is to just harmonize that with a C
major chord.
It's very style dependent, but yes melody can imply harmony (chords.)
I think a crucial aspect is to not think one note at a time. Look for melodic segments that match common harmonic patterns.
Let's say you are in C
major. The melody tone is G
. As a single note it isn't clear how to harmonize it. It could be a I
or V
chord. Now imagine the melodic segment is G F E
. It's much clearer the harmony could be V V7 I
. Of course it could be harmonized other ways too. But the point is to look for common melodic patterns when thinking about the harmonic implications of a melody.
And of course there are melodies that outline chords. Like a melody of C E G
. An obvious harmonization is to just harmonize that with a C
major chord.
answered 5 hours ago
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yep that's a good point, the melody notes often trace the outline of a chord. but often, just whatever "sounds good" seems good enough. I noticed academia tends to make harmonization formulaic.
– foreyez
5 hours ago
add a comment |
yep that's a good point, the melody notes often trace the outline of a chord. but often, just whatever "sounds good" seems good enough. I noticed academia tends to make harmonization formulaic.
– foreyez
5 hours ago
yep that's a good point, the melody notes often trace the outline of a chord. but often, just whatever "sounds good" seems good enough. I noticed academia tends to make harmonization formulaic.
– foreyez
5 hours ago
yep that's a good point, the melody notes often trace the outline of a chord. but often, just whatever "sounds good" seems good enough. I noticed academia tends to make harmonization formulaic.
– foreyez
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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Yes, it has to do with perception and memory.
– jjmusicnotes
8 hours ago
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If you take a melody you are unfamiliar with and come up with “chords that work” with that melody the possibilities are endless based on the style, the taste of the arranger and a million other factors. You may come up with chords but you may also have a different song when you are done.
– b3ko
7 hours ago
I've noted that the original harmonization of "Rose of May" from Final Fantasy IX is not quite the harmonization I would have used--it's off by some chords. I've also often ended up minorly reharmonizing other video game themes I've arranged.
– Dekkadeci
3 hours ago