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Do beef farmed pastures net remove carbon emissions?


Is reducing carbon emission from cars futile?Is avoiding global warming by preventing CO₂ emissions far too expensive compared to geoengineering or adapting to a warmer world?Does Carbon Dioxide mix well in the atmosphere?Is animal agriculture responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than transportation?Are annual contributions to carbon in the atmosphere due to human activities increasing by 6% per annum?If cows were a country, would they rank 3rd in greenhouse gas emissions?Is Bhutan the only carbon neutral/negative country?






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This viral image claims that an example beef farm with 130 cattle removes many tons of Carbon from the atmosphere every year. However it does not provide any sources.



This image has been shared many times - e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4] - some of these date back to July 2016.



Is anything in this info-graphic factual? Do the pastures required for cattle farming reduce the amount of carbon emitted to the point where it is a net reduction of carbon?




Farm Carbon output from beef: 80 tones of Carbon is produced by 50 mother cows 80 young calves + 32 tons of carbonm is produced by tractor/equipment processing/distribution - 500 tons of Carbon is removed by 150 acres of Pasture. Total output 112 tons of Carbon - Total Sequestration 500 tons of carbnon. This farm removes 388 tons of Carbon from the atmosphere annually.











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    It seems to overlook one important fact: IIRC 150 acres of pasture sequester 500 tons of carbon, total -- but the cows, calves and tractors produce 112 tons per year.

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    @oddthinking Not feeling so great lately, but here's a link to help get started: onpasture.com/2017/10/02/does-grazing-sequester-carbon-part-1 (TL;DR: Answer seems to be along the lines of 'not nearly as much as we'd hoped, and not for the reasons we thought')

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    How much carbon would be removed from 150 acres of pasture if there were no cows? People may use this image to argue that beef production is good for the environment, but that does not necessarily follow from the measurements provided.

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This viral image claims that an example beef farm with 130 cattle removes many tons of Carbon from the atmosphere every year. However it does not provide any sources.



This image has been shared many times - e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4] - some of these date back to July 2016.



Is anything in this info-graphic factual? Do the pastures required for cattle farming reduce the amount of carbon emitted to the point where it is a net reduction of carbon?




Farm Carbon output from beef: 80 tones of Carbon is produced by 50 mother cows 80 young calves + 32 tons of carbonm is produced by tractor/equipment processing/distribution - 500 tons of Carbon is removed by 150 acres of Pasture. Total output 112 tons of Carbon - Total Sequestration 500 tons of carbnon. This farm removes 388 tons of Carbon from the atmosphere annually.











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    It seems to overlook one important fact: IIRC 150 acres of pasture sequester 500 tons of carbon, total -- but the cows, calves and tractors produce 112 tons per year.

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    @Shadur: right, but please add references and put it in an answer box.

    – Oddthinking
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    @oddthinking Not feeling so great lately, but here's a link to help get started: onpasture.com/2017/10/02/does-grazing-sequester-carbon-part-1 (TL;DR: Answer seems to be along the lines of 'not nearly as much as we'd hoped, and not for the reasons we thought')

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    How much carbon would be removed from 150 acres of pasture if there were no cows? People may use this image to argue that beef production is good for the environment, but that does not necessarily follow from the measurements provided.

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This viral image claims that an example beef farm with 130 cattle removes many tons of Carbon from the atmosphere every year. However it does not provide any sources.



This image has been shared many times - e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4] - some of these date back to July 2016.



Is anything in this info-graphic factual? Do the pastures required for cattle farming reduce the amount of carbon emitted to the point where it is a net reduction of carbon?




Farm Carbon output from beef: 80 tones of Carbon is produced by 50 mother cows 80 young calves + 32 tons of carbonm is produced by tractor/equipment processing/distribution - 500 tons of Carbon is removed by 150 acres of Pasture. Total output 112 tons of Carbon - Total Sequestration 500 tons of carbnon. This farm removes 388 tons of Carbon from the atmosphere annually.











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This viral image claims that an example beef farm with 130 cattle removes many tons of Carbon from the atmosphere every year. However it does not provide any sources.



This image has been shared many times - e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4] - some of these date back to July 2016.



Is anything in this info-graphic factual? Do the pastures required for cattle farming reduce the amount of carbon emitted to the point where it is a net reduction of carbon?




Farm Carbon output from beef: 80 tones of Carbon is produced by 50 mother cows 80 young calves + 32 tons of carbonm is produced by tractor/equipment processing/distribution - 500 tons of Carbon is removed by 150 acres of Pasture. Total output 112 tons of Carbon - Total Sequestration 500 tons of carbnon. This farm removes 388 tons of Carbon from the atmosphere annually.








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  • 2





    It seems to overlook one important fact: IIRC 150 acres of pasture sequester 500 tons of carbon, total -- but the cows, calves and tractors produce 112 tons per year.

    – Shadur
    12 hours ago






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    @Shadur: right, but please add references and put it in an answer box.

    – Oddthinking
    12 hours ago






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    @oddthinking Not feeling so great lately, but here's a link to help get started: onpasture.com/2017/10/02/does-grazing-sequester-carbon-part-1 (TL;DR: Answer seems to be along the lines of 'not nearly as much as we'd hoped, and not for the reasons we thought')

    – Shadur
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    @Shadur: Hope you feel better soon.

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    How much carbon would be removed from 150 acres of pasture if there were no cows? People may use this image to argue that beef production is good for the environment, but that does not necessarily follow from the measurements provided.

    – Relish
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    It seems to overlook one important fact: IIRC 150 acres of pasture sequester 500 tons of carbon, total -- but the cows, calves and tractors produce 112 tons per year.

    – Shadur
    12 hours ago






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    @Shadur: right, but please add references and put it in an answer box.

    – Oddthinking
    12 hours ago






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    @oddthinking Not feeling so great lately, but here's a link to help get started: onpasture.com/2017/10/02/does-grazing-sequester-carbon-part-1 (TL;DR: Answer seems to be along the lines of 'not nearly as much as we'd hoped, and not for the reasons we thought')

    – Shadur
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    @Shadur: Hope you feel better soon.

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    How much carbon would be removed from 150 acres of pasture if there were no cows? People may use this image to argue that beef production is good for the environment, but that does not necessarily follow from the measurements provided.

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It seems to overlook one important fact: IIRC 150 acres of pasture sequester 500 tons of carbon, total -- but the cows, calves and tractors produce 112 tons per year.

– Shadur
12 hours ago





It seems to overlook one important fact: IIRC 150 acres of pasture sequester 500 tons of carbon, total -- but the cows, calves and tractors produce 112 tons per year.

– Shadur
12 hours ago




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@Shadur: right, but please add references and put it in an answer box.

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@Shadur: right, but please add references and put it in an answer box.

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@oddthinking Not feeling so great lately, but here's a link to help get started: onpasture.com/2017/10/02/does-grazing-sequester-carbon-part-1 (TL;DR: Answer seems to be along the lines of 'not nearly as much as we'd hoped, and not for the reasons we thought')

– Shadur
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@oddthinking Not feeling so great lately, but here's a link to help get started: onpasture.com/2017/10/02/does-grazing-sequester-carbon-part-1 (TL;DR: Answer seems to be along the lines of 'not nearly as much as we'd hoped, and not for the reasons we thought')

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How much carbon would be removed from 150 acres of pasture if there were no cows? People may use this image to argue that beef production is good for the environment, but that does not necessarily follow from the measurements provided.

– Relish
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How much carbon would be removed from 150 acres of pasture if there were no cows? People may use this image to argue that beef production is good for the environment, but that does not necessarily follow from the measurements provided.

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Yes, soil can retain huge amounts of CO2.




Total C in terrestrial ecosystems is approximately 3170 gigatons (GT; 1 GT = 1 petagram = 1 billion metric tons). Of this amount, nearly 80% (2500 GT) is found in soil (Lal 2008). Soil carbon can be either organic (1550 GT) or inorganic carbon (950 GT). The latter consists of elemental carbon and carbonate materials such as calcite, dolomite, and gypsum (Lal 2004). The amount of carbon found in living plants and animals is comparatively small relative to that found in soil (560 GT). The soil carbon pool is approximately 3.1 times larger than the atmospheric pool of 800 GT (Oelkers & Cole 2008). Only the ocean has a larger carbon pool, at about 38,400 GT of C, mostly in inorganic forms (Houghton 2007).




However, pasture is by far from ideal for carbon sequestration (same source as above, emphasis mine):




Approximately two-thirds of the total increase in atmospheric CO2 is a result of the burning of fossil fuels, with the remainder coming from SOC [Soil Organic Carbon] loss due to land use change (Lal 2004), such as the clearing of forests and the cultivation of land for food production (Fig. 5).



While the carbon released to the atmosphere through deforestation includes carbon emitted from the decomposition of aboveground plant biomass, carbon levels in the soil are also rapidly depleted from the decomposition of SOM [Soil Organic Matter]. The decomposition of SOM is due to the activity of the microbial decomposer community in the absence of continual rates of carbon input from the growth of forest vegetation, as well as increased soil temperatures that result from warming of the ground once the forest canopy has been removed. Although this soil carbon loss has contributed to increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere, it also is an opportunity to store some of this carbon in soil from reforestation.




So while pasture might store some carbon if husbanded carefully, depending on what the pasture was originally that carbon was likely released previously by turning that piece of land into a pasture...



And reforested pastures would undoubtedly store more carbon.






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  • @Oddthinking: I did not find enough material on what an acre of pasture would take up in CO2 to even hazard a guess on what those 500 tons were about. As I couldn't back up any argument on that angle, I preferred not to mention it in the first place. I found enough casting of doubt for a verdict without going into second-guessing.

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  • It might be helpful to explain the point about methane a bit more, to call out the distinction between the explicit claim about CO2 emissions vs. the implicit claim about greenhouse-gas emissions as CO2-equivalents emissions.

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    @DevSolar Honestly, I dunno. Lately I've been really confused about what is/isn't common knowledge. I suspect that the distinction between actual CO2 and CO2-equivalents is something that a lot of readers are liable to be unsure about, but I'm not positive about that.

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    @Tom.Bowen89: Note that Craig pretty much deflated my whole train of thought there, pointing out a gross error in the first point I made. I don't have the time to look up other approaches at this time, and have thus removed the whole CO2 / CO2 equivalent argument from the answer. Feel free to unaccept, and I can remove this trainwreck altogether so someone else can have a go at it.

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This is not really an infographic that is truthful. Pasture land can sequester some carbon, yes, but how meaningful is that? Carbon is just the element, and the element is not a greenhouse gas (GHG). Carbon dioxide is a GHG, and yes, green pastures do capture some CO2. But even if true that 112 tons of carbon gas is emitted and 500 tons sequestered annually, what does that translate to in practice if 500 tons of CO2 are captured but 112 tons of methane released? For global warming climate change that would be a huge problem as methane is much more warming than CO2. It also leaves out other gasses like NO2 that are also a bigger problem than CO2. With that line of reasoning one could also argue that killing and eating a cow stops it from producing methane and thus the animal meat eaten by humans is saving the planet!



Of course, the picture alludes to how coal and oil got into the ground in the first place. Plants and animals are carbon based, when they died and were buried deep enough without immediate decomposition/recycling by other lifeforms the were effectively sequestering carbon out of the atmosphere.



The reality looks a bit different for current farming practices. Only careful management in a less than now common in industrialised intensive farming has the potential to be less damaging for the atmosphere. The style and sheer amount of Western capitalist agroculture for cattle raising has to be reduced or changed significantly otherwise, as no farming practice that conforms to current market demands complies with reducing GHG emmissions.



The US Natural Resources Conservation Service currently advises a rule of thumb that 1 cow needs 2 acres to be fed with grass for a year.




The daily utilization rate for livestock. This is always the same number, .04, or 4%. This figure is used because livestock need to have 4% of their weight in forage each day (2.5- 3% intake, .5 trampling loss and .5-1% buffer). (PDF)




With 130 animals on the example from the claim, that farm is already quite crowded and it will damage the pasture if it is not extremely productive and resilient or other fodder than grass is provided into the mix. Since that's left out from the picture, the numbers are already skewed.



This effect isn't really news:




Overgrazing of pasturelands is one of the major problems facing the Oklahoma farmer today. Aside from soil erosion on cultivated land, excessive pasturing of prairie and woodland is perhaps our greatest agricultural menace. Greater runoff from grazing land as the vegetation is destroyed added to water lost from tilled soil has increased the flood problem not only in Oklahoma but throughout the country.
–– Charles Clinton Smith: "The Effect of Overgrazing and Erosion Upon the Biota of the Mixed-Grass Prairie of Oklahoma", Ecology, Vol. 21, No. 3 (Jul., 1940), pp. 381-397.




And even in scientific studies arguing for re-calculating the CO2-sink effect of grasslands has to admit:




Grazing pressure is a factor that affects C sequestration although it was not included in this study. …
This question does not have a sim- ple answer if we consider that our study was focused on a regional scale. It is clear that C losses may be high in grazing areas of high cattle den- sity. Intensive and frequent grazing imposes an increased C removal from roots to allow subsequent vegetation regrowth. For example, a meta-analysis investigation (Zhou et al., 2017) that comprised 115 cases suggests an additional carbon loss due to intensive grazing of about 21%. Very high stocking rates (N4–5 heads/ha) explain such losses. …

Although animal densities were heterogeneously distributed […] in this study we assumed that those densities were low enough to prevent any significant loss of belowground C. So, we desisted from applying any uncertain coefficient to account for carbon losses due to grazing intensity. …

Change of C stock due to land conversion was not specifically consid- ered in this research methods, but some aspects deserve a comment. There is meaningful question that has not still been completely an- swered. Do forests always sequester more C than grasslands as IPCC guidelines assumed? In a global meta-analysis that involved 385 studies on land-use change in the tropics Don et al. (2010) tend to confirm this assumption.

They showed that the highest SOC losses were caused by conversion of primary forest into cropland (−25%) and perennial crops (−30%), and forest conversion into grassland also reduced SOC stocks by 12%. …

Although management practices were not analyzed in this study, in line with scientific evidence (Conant et al., 2017) we also believe that management is a factor that can significantly improve carbon sequestra- tion. But provided that our knowledge about how grazing lands are managed in different sites of world is limited, we have to accept that figures on C sequestration due to management interventions remain uncertain (Smith et al., 2007).
–– E.F. Viglizzo et al.: "Reassessing the role of grazing lands in carbon-balance estimations: Meta-analysis and review", Science of the Total Environment, 661 (2019) 531–542.




Cattle raising currently and globally emits much more than it captures in the long run. Only grass fed beef can be sustainable in the sense of 'less damaging'; and only on suitable land that is not forested now. As soon as you feed grains to cattle in mass the calculation fails. And the optimistic calculation from the claim only could work if the pasture would be growing topsoil with carbon incorporated into it in more stable forms. When organic matter recycling, or erosion and other forms of topsoil loss enter the picture, again, the calculation fails.




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Cattle dominate livestock related emissions, contributing around 65% of the total, buffaloes and small ruminants add a further 9% and 7% respectively, so in all ruminants account for over 80% of total livestock related climate impacts, most significantly via enteric methane (Figure 3) – which are highest, per unit of milk or meat, in grazing systems. Other studies give broadly comparable estimates. This 80% share of GHG emissions is worth setting against the 50% that ruminants contribute to overall terrestrial animal product protein supply (Figure 3). Grazing systems specifically emit an estimated 1.32 Gt CO2-eq (a figure that includes land use change-related impacts), which is about 20% of all emissions from livestock.



  • Soils are very significant carbon stores. All soils contain carbon although different soil types differ in how much they contain. Above ground biomass also stores carbon – especially trees.

  • As plants grow they draw down carbon from the atmosphere, apportioning some into their roots. Much of this is released back to the atmosphere when plants die and decompose. But, if left undisturbed, some of the carbon in their roots and in plant litter – depending on climate, rainfall, the soil microbial community, management and many other variables – may eventually be incorporated into more stable compounds in the soil, constituting a net removal of carbon from the atmosphere. This is soil carbon sequestration.

  • If favourable conditions continue, soils sequester carbon until equilibrium is reached, after which emissions and removals are balanced and no more is sequestered. Further increases in sequestration may be possible if there is a change in how the land is used or managed.

  • Sufficient nitrogen needs to be available for plants to grow and therefore for soils to sequester carbon. This can be provided in the form of bacterial nitrogen fixation, such as that associated with the roots of legumes, application of mineral fertilisers or organic amendments containing nitrogen, but higher nitrous oxide emissions may outweigh sequestration gains.

  • Since sequestration is time-limited, so too is its role in mitigation efforts. There are additional problems of reversibility (what can be done can be undone) and leakage (organic amendments applied on one area of land may be at the cost of its previous application elsewhere). Legacy effects of past management practices also need recognising to avoid drawing false conclusions about the effects of the current management regime.

  • Grazing animals potentially aid the process of sequestration as their consumption of herbage stimulates plant growth and leads to the partitioning of and increase in organic matter below ground.

  • Factors including soil type and quality, climate and seasonal variability, precipition levels, nutrient availability, composition of soil fauna and microbial communities, and vegetation type will influence whether organic matter is converted into stable below ground carbon which determines if sequestration actually occurs.

  • In many parts of the world the potential for grazing management to achieve sequestration is limited or absent.

  • Heavy grazing is a problem on many grazing lands: by reducing plant growth, it causes carbon losses from the system.

  • Evidence as to the sequestration benefits of holistic, adaptive and other variants of rotational grazing is patchy and highly contradictory. Where there are benefits, these are small.

  • The highly ambitious claims made about the potential for holistic grazing to mitigate climate change are wrong.

  • The sequestration potential from grazing management is between 295–800 Mt CO2-eq/year: this offsets only 20-60% of annual average emissions from the grazing ruminant sector, and makes a negligible dent on overall livestock emissions.

  • Expansion or intensification in the grazing sector as an approach to sequestering more carbon would lead to substantial increases in methane, nitrous oxide and land use change-induced CO2 emissions…

  • Practices that are optimal for achieving soil carbon sequestration may not be so for other environmental goals, such as biodiversity conservation.

  • Leaving aside any scope for sequestration it is imperative that we ‘keep carbon in the ground’: by acting to halt degradation or conversion to croplands to avoid losing the huge carbon stocks already stored in grasslands.

–– Tara Garnett, Cécile Godde et al.: "Grazed and confused? – Ruminating on cattle, grazing systems, methane, nitrous oxide, the soil carbon sequestration question – and what it all means for greenhouse gas emissions", Food Climate Research Network, Oxford Martin Programme on the Future of Food Environmental Change Institute, University of Oxford, 2017. (PDF)







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  • I wonder if it would be beneficial to capture the methane from (essentially) cow farts and burn it for energy... Would that be a net reduction in GHG emissions?

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    That would require an enclosed and ventilated space that allows you to trap and filter all the, ah, 'air'flow in the area, which by definition wouldn't be an open pasture anymore at that point.

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  • @Shadur Such buildings do exist (as well as other methane capture systems for dairy/meat farms) but its really really inefficient. I was trying to find a picture and ran across the pays-for-itself number of 10 years.

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  • @Draco18s Note that your link is apparently not even talking about stables but "anaerobic digesters" for biogas capture (instead of simply letting the manure rot on its own in the open). The methane in such a system is not from the cows directly, but from microbes going to town on the shit. That seems to me much cheaper since it is smaller and an enclosed system anyway, than filtering the cow barn air.

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Some of it is close to factual data for one particular farm in Nova Scotia.



Infographic have been based on calculation from this site https://wild-mountain-farm.myshopify.com/blogs/pasture-connections/11745121-calculating-the-carbon-footprint-of-our-grass-fed-beef The calculation is made with a calculator that is no longer available (or I couldn't find one that is called CPLAN).
But using data from Carbon Footprint of Beef Cattle (the values are pretty similar in various researches) and estimated weight of 50 cows and 80 calves, even taking the lower values we end up with 154 tones.



The "Source" page also state that they produce "around" 29 tones of carbon from equipment (truck, tractors coolers). But they statements are prefixed with "About, around"



The thing is that for that particular farm the amount of acres is actually 300 not 150. They state they have 300 acres of which 150 is used for hayland and second part for grassland. And the result, of 554, is based on those 300 acres. Someone who made the infographic "tweaked" data a little to have better visual outcome.






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    Any comment on the flawed modelling that suggests they will continue to sequester 3 percentage points of organic material in the ground per year, meaning in 50 years the soil will >150% organic matter?

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    @Oddthinking - perhaps it translates better into a 3% deepening of the organic layer in the soil. e.g. deeper topsoil?

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Yes, soil can retain huge amounts of CO2.




Total C in terrestrial ecosystems is approximately 3170 gigatons (GT; 1 GT = 1 petagram = 1 billion metric tons). Of this amount, nearly 80% (2500 GT) is found in soil (Lal 2008). Soil carbon can be either organic (1550 GT) or inorganic carbon (950 GT). The latter consists of elemental carbon and carbonate materials such as calcite, dolomite, and gypsum (Lal 2004). The amount of carbon found in living plants and animals is comparatively small relative to that found in soil (560 GT). The soil carbon pool is approximately 3.1 times larger than the atmospheric pool of 800 GT (Oelkers & Cole 2008). Only the ocean has a larger carbon pool, at about 38,400 GT of C, mostly in inorganic forms (Houghton 2007).




However, pasture is by far from ideal for carbon sequestration (same source as above, emphasis mine):




Approximately two-thirds of the total increase in atmospheric CO2 is a result of the burning of fossil fuels, with the remainder coming from SOC [Soil Organic Carbon] loss due to land use change (Lal 2004), such as the clearing of forests and the cultivation of land for food production (Fig. 5).



While the carbon released to the atmosphere through deforestation includes carbon emitted from the decomposition of aboveground plant biomass, carbon levels in the soil are also rapidly depleted from the decomposition of SOM [Soil Organic Matter]. The decomposition of SOM is due to the activity of the microbial decomposer community in the absence of continual rates of carbon input from the growth of forest vegetation, as well as increased soil temperatures that result from warming of the ground once the forest canopy has been removed. Although this soil carbon loss has contributed to increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere, it also is an opportunity to store some of this carbon in soil from reforestation.




So while pasture might store some carbon if husbanded carefully, depending on what the pasture was originally that carbon was likely released previously by turning that piece of land into a pasture...



And reforested pastures would undoubtedly store more carbon.






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  • @Oddthinking: I did not find enough material on what an acre of pasture would take up in CO2 to even hazard a guess on what those 500 tons were about. As I couldn't back up any argument on that angle, I preferred not to mention it in the first place. I found enough casting of doubt for a verdict without going into second-guessing.

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    9 hours ago











  • It might be helpful to explain the point about methane a bit more, to call out the distinction between the explicit claim about CO2 emissions vs. the implicit claim about greenhouse-gas emissions as CO2-equivalents emissions.

    – Nat
    9 hours ago







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    @DevSolar Honestly, I dunno. Lately I've been really confused about what is/isn't common knowledge. I suspect that the distinction between actual CO2 and CO2-equivalents is something that a lot of readers are liable to be unsure about, but I'm not positive about that.

    – Nat
    8 hours ago







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    @Tom.Bowen89: Note that Craig pretty much deflated my whole train of thought there, pointing out a gross error in the first point I made. I don't have the time to look up other approaches at this time, and have thus removed the whole CO2 / CO2 equivalent argument from the answer. Feel free to unaccept, and I can remove this trainwreck altogether so someone else can have a go at it.

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Yes, soil can retain huge amounts of CO2.




Total C in terrestrial ecosystems is approximately 3170 gigatons (GT; 1 GT = 1 petagram = 1 billion metric tons). Of this amount, nearly 80% (2500 GT) is found in soil (Lal 2008). Soil carbon can be either organic (1550 GT) or inorganic carbon (950 GT). The latter consists of elemental carbon and carbonate materials such as calcite, dolomite, and gypsum (Lal 2004). The amount of carbon found in living plants and animals is comparatively small relative to that found in soil (560 GT). The soil carbon pool is approximately 3.1 times larger than the atmospheric pool of 800 GT (Oelkers & Cole 2008). Only the ocean has a larger carbon pool, at about 38,400 GT of C, mostly in inorganic forms (Houghton 2007).




However, pasture is by far from ideal for carbon sequestration (same source as above, emphasis mine):




Approximately two-thirds of the total increase in atmospheric CO2 is a result of the burning of fossil fuels, with the remainder coming from SOC [Soil Organic Carbon] loss due to land use change (Lal 2004), such as the clearing of forests and the cultivation of land for food production (Fig. 5).



While the carbon released to the atmosphere through deforestation includes carbon emitted from the decomposition of aboveground plant biomass, carbon levels in the soil are also rapidly depleted from the decomposition of SOM [Soil Organic Matter]. The decomposition of SOM is due to the activity of the microbial decomposer community in the absence of continual rates of carbon input from the growth of forest vegetation, as well as increased soil temperatures that result from warming of the ground once the forest canopy has been removed. Although this soil carbon loss has contributed to increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere, it also is an opportunity to store some of this carbon in soil from reforestation.




So while pasture might store some carbon if husbanded carefully, depending on what the pasture was originally that carbon was likely released previously by turning that piece of land into a pasture...



And reforested pastures would undoubtedly store more carbon.






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    Any comment on what to me seems the biggest flaw in the claim: comparing per year emissions to total sequestration?

    – Oddthinking
    9 hours ago











  • @Oddthinking: I did not find enough material on what an acre of pasture would take up in CO2 to even hazard a guess on what those 500 tons were about. As I couldn't back up any argument on that angle, I preferred not to mention it in the first place. I found enough casting of doubt for a verdict without going into second-guessing.

    – DevSolar
    9 hours ago











  • It might be helpful to explain the point about methane a bit more, to call out the distinction between the explicit claim about CO2 emissions vs. the implicit claim about greenhouse-gas emissions as CO2-equivalents emissions.

    – Nat
    9 hours ago







  • 1





    @DevSolar Honestly, I dunno. Lately I've been really confused about what is/isn't common knowledge. I suspect that the distinction between actual CO2 and CO2-equivalents is something that a lot of readers are liable to be unsure about, but I'm not positive about that.

    – Nat
    8 hours ago







  • 1





    @Tom.Bowen89: Note that Craig pretty much deflated my whole train of thought there, pointing out a gross error in the first point I made. I don't have the time to look up other approaches at this time, and have thus removed the whole CO2 / CO2 equivalent argument from the answer. Feel free to unaccept, and I can remove this trainwreck altogether so someone else can have a go at it.

    – DevSolar
    6 hours ago













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Yes, soil can retain huge amounts of CO2.




Total C in terrestrial ecosystems is approximately 3170 gigatons (GT; 1 GT = 1 petagram = 1 billion metric tons). Of this amount, nearly 80% (2500 GT) is found in soil (Lal 2008). Soil carbon can be either organic (1550 GT) or inorganic carbon (950 GT). The latter consists of elemental carbon and carbonate materials such as calcite, dolomite, and gypsum (Lal 2004). The amount of carbon found in living plants and animals is comparatively small relative to that found in soil (560 GT). The soil carbon pool is approximately 3.1 times larger than the atmospheric pool of 800 GT (Oelkers & Cole 2008). Only the ocean has a larger carbon pool, at about 38,400 GT of C, mostly in inorganic forms (Houghton 2007).




However, pasture is by far from ideal for carbon sequestration (same source as above, emphasis mine):




Approximately two-thirds of the total increase in atmospheric CO2 is a result of the burning of fossil fuels, with the remainder coming from SOC [Soil Organic Carbon] loss due to land use change (Lal 2004), such as the clearing of forests and the cultivation of land for food production (Fig. 5).



While the carbon released to the atmosphere through deforestation includes carbon emitted from the decomposition of aboveground plant biomass, carbon levels in the soil are also rapidly depleted from the decomposition of SOM [Soil Organic Matter]. The decomposition of SOM is due to the activity of the microbial decomposer community in the absence of continual rates of carbon input from the growth of forest vegetation, as well as increased soil temperatures that result from warming of the ground once the forest canopy has been removed. Although this soil carbon loss has contributed to increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere, it also is an opportunity to store some of this carbon in soil from reforestation.




So while pasture might store some carbon if husbanded carefully, depending on what the pasture was originally that carbon was likely released previously by turning that piece of land into a pasture...



And reforested pastures would undoubtedly store more carbon.






share|improve this answer















Yes, soil can retain huge amounts of CO2.




Total C in terrestrial ecosystems is approximately 3170 gigatons (GT; 1 GT = 1 petagram = 1 billion metric tons). Of this amount, nearly 80% (2500 GT) is found in soil (Lal 2008). Soil carbon can be either organic (1550 GT) or inorganic carbon (950 GT). The latter consists of elemental carbon and carbonate materials such as calcite, dolomite, and gypsum (Lal 2004). The amount of carbon found in living plants and animals is comparatively small relative to that found in soil (560 GT). The soil carbon pool is approximately 3.1 times larger than the atmospheric pool of 800 GT (Oelkers & Cole 2008). Only the ocean has a larger carbon pool, at about 38,400 GT of C, mostly in inorganic forms (Houghton 2007).




However, pasture is by far from ideal for carbon sequestration (same source as above, emphasis mine):




Approximately two-thirds of the total increase in atmospheric CO2 is a result of the burning of fossil fuels, with the remainder coming from SOC [Soil Organic Carbon] loss due to land use change (Lal 2004), such as the clearing of forests and the cultivation of land for food production (Fig. 5).



While the carbon released to the atmosphere through deforestation includes carbon emitted from the decomposition of aboveground plant biomass, carbon levels in the soil are also rapidly depleted from the decomposition of SOM [Soil Organic Matter]. The decomposition of SOM is due to the activity of the microbial decomposer community in the absence of continual rates of carbon input from the growth of forest vegetation, as well as increased soil temperatures that result from warming of the ground once the forest canopy has been removed. Although this soil carbon loss has contributed to increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere, it also is an opportunity to store some of this carbon in soil from reforestation.




So while pasture might store some carbon if husbanded carefully, depending on what the pasture was originally that carbon was likely released previously by turning that piece of land into a pasture...



And reforested pastures would undoubtedly store more carbon.







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    Any comment on what to me seems the biggest flaw in the claim: comparing per year emissions to total sequestration?

    – Oddthinking
    9 hours ago











  • @Oddthinking: I did not find enough material on what an acre of pasture would take up in CO2 to even hazard a guess on what those 500 tons were about. As I couldn't back up any argument on that angle, I preferred not to mention it in the first place. I found enough casting of doubt for a verdict without going into second-guessing.

    – DevSolar
    9 hours ago











  • It might be helpful to explain the point about methane a bit more, to call out the distinction between the explicit claim about CO2 emissions vs. the implicit claim about greenhouse-gas emissions as CO2-equivalents emissions.

    – Nat
    9 hours ago







  • 1





    @DevSolar Honestly, I dunno. Lately I've been really confused about what is/isn't common knowledge. I suspect that the distinction between actual CO2 and CO2-equivalents is something that a lot of readers are liable to be unsure about, but I'm not positive about that.

    – Nat
    8 hours ago







  • 1





    @Tom.Bowen89: Note that Craig pretty much deflated my whole train of thought there, pointing out a gross error in the first point I made. I don't have the time to look up other approaches at this time, and have thus removed the whole CO2 / CO2 equivalent argument from the answer. Feel free to unaccept, and I can remove this trainwreck altogether so someone else can have a go at it.

    – DevSolar
    6 hours ago












  • 10





    Any comment on what to me seems the biggest flaw in the claim: comparing per year emissions to total sequestration?

    – Oddthinking
    9 hours ago











  • @Oddthinking: I did not find enough material on what an acre of pasture would take up in CO2 to even hazard a guess on what those 500 tons were about. As I couldn't back up any argument on that angle, I preferred not to mention it in the first place. I found enough casting of doubt for a verdict without going into second-guessing.

    – DevSolar
    9 hours ago











  • It might be helpful to explain the point about methane a bit more, to call out the distinction between the explicit claim about CO2 emissions vs. the implicit claim about greenhouse-gas emissions as CO2-equivalents emissions.

    – Nat
    9 hours ago







  • 1





    @DevSolar Honestly, I dunno. Lately I've been really confused about what is/isn't common knowledge. I suspect that the distinction between actual CO2 and CO2-equivalents is something that a lot of readers are liable to be unsure about, but I'm not positive about that.

    – Nat
    8 hours ago







  • 1





    @Tom.Bowen89: Note that Craig pretty much deflated my whole train of thought there, pointing out a gross error in the first point I made. I don't have the time to look up other approaches at this time, and have thus removed the whole CO2 / CO2 equivalent argument from the answer. Feel free to unaccept, and I can remove this trainwreck altogether so someone else can have a go at it.

    – DevSolar
    6 hours ago







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Any comment on what to me seems the biggest flaw in the claim: comparing per year emissions to total sequestration?

– Oddthinking
9 hours ago





Any comment on what to me seems the biggest flaw in the claim: comparing per year emissions to total sequestration?

– Oddthinking
9 hours ago













@Oddthinking: I did not find enough material on what an acre of pasture would take up in CO2 to even hazard a guess on what those 500 tons were about. As I couldn't back up any argument on that angle, I preferred not to mention it in the first place. I found enough casting of doubt for a verdict without going into second-guessing.

– DevSolar
9 hours ago





@Oddthinking: I did not find enough material on what an acre of pasture would take up in CO2 to even hazard a guess on what those 500 tons were about. As I couldn't back up any argument on that angle, I preferred not to mention it in the first place. I found enough casting of doubt for a verdict without going into second-guessing.

– DevSolar
9 hours ago













It might be helpful to explain the point about methane a bit more, to call out the distinction between the explicit claim about CO2 emissions vs. the implicit claim about greenhouse-gas emissions as CO2-equivalents emissions.

– Nat
9 hours ago






It might be helpful to explain the point about methane a bit more, to call out the distinction between the explicit claim about CO2 emissions vs. the implicit claim about greenhouse-gas emissions as CO2-equivalents emissions.

– Nat
9 hours ago





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@DevSolar Honestly, I dunno. Lately I've been really confused about what is/isn't common knowledge. I suspect that the distinction between actual CO2 and CO2-equivalents is something that a lot of readers are liable to be unsure about, but I'm not positive about that.

– Nat
8 hours ago






@DevSolar Honestly, I dunno. Lately I've been really confused about what is/isn't common knowledge. I suspect that the distinction between actual CO2 and CO2-equivalents is something that a lot of readers are liable to be unsure about, but I'm not positive about that.

– Nat
8 hours ago





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@Tom.Bowen89: Note that Craig pretty much deflated my whole train of thought there, pointing out a gross error in the first point I made. I don't have the time to look up other approaches at this time, and have thus removed the whole CO2 / CO2 equivalent argument from the answer. Feel free to unaccept, and I can remove this trainwreck altogether so someone else can have a go at it.

– DevSolar
6 hours ago





@Tom.Bowen89: Note that Craig pretty much deflated my whole train of thought there, pointing out a gross error in the first point I made. I don't have the time to look up other approaches at this time, and have thus removed the whole CO2 / CO2 equivalent argument from the answer. Feel free to unaccept, and I can remove this trainwreck altogether so someone else can have a go at it.

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This is not really an infographic that is truthful. Pasture land can sequester some carbon, yes, but how meaningful is that? Carbon is just the element, and the element is not a greenhouse gas (GHG). Carbon dioxide is a GHG, and yes, green pastures do capture some CO2. But even if true that 112 tons of carbon gas is emitted and 500 tons sequestered annually, what does that translate to in practice if 500 tons of CO2 are captured but 112 tons of methane released? For global warming climate change that would be a huge problem as methane is much more warming than CO2. It also leaves out other gasses like NO2 that are also a bigger problem than CO2. With that line of reasoning one could also argue that killing and eating a cow stops it from producing methane and thus the animal meat eaten by humans is saving the planet!



Of course, the picture alludes to how coal and oil got into the ground in the first place. Plants and animals are carbon based, when they died and were buried deep enough without immediate decomposition/recycling by other lifeforms the were effectively sequestering carbon out of the atmosphere.



The reality looks a bit different for current farming practices. Only careful management in a less than now common in industrialised intensive farming has the potential to be less damaging for the atmosphere. The style and sheer amount of Western capitalist agroculture for cattle raising has to be reduced or changed significantly otherwise, as no farming practice that conforms to current market demands complies with reducing GHG emmissions.



The US Natural Resources Conservation Service currently advises a rule of thumb that 1 cow needs 2 acres to be fed with grass for a year.




The daily utilization rate for livestock. This is always the same number, .04, or 4%. This figure is used because livestock need to have 4% of their weight in forage each day (2.5- 3% intake, .5 trampling loss and .5-1% buffer). (PDF)




With 130 animals on the example from the claim, that farm is already quite crowded and it will damage the pasture if it is not extremely productive and resilient or other fodder than grass is provided into the mix. Since that's left out from the picture, the numbers are already skewed.



This effect isn't really news:




Overgrazing of pasturelands is one of the major problems facing the Oklahoma farmer today. Aside from soil erosion on cultivated land, excessive pasturing of prairie and woodland is perhaps our greatest agricultural menace. Greater runoff from grazing land as the vegetation is destroyed added to water lost from tilled soil has increased the flood problem not only in Oklahoma but throughout the country.
–– Charles Clinton Smith: "The Effect of Overgrazing and Erosion Upon the Biota of the Mixed-Grass Prairie of Oklahoma", Ecology, Vol. 21, No. 3 (Jul., 1940), pp. 381-397.




And even in scientific studies arguing for re-calculating the CO2-sink effect of grasslands has to admit:




Grazing pressure is a factor that affects C sequestration although it was not included in this study. …
This question does not have a sim- ple answer if we consider that our study was focused on a regional scale. It is clear that C losses may be high in grazing areas of high cattle den- sity. Intensive and frequent grazing imposes an increased C removal from roots to allow subsequent vegetation regrowth. For example, a meta-analysis investigation (Zhou et al., 2017) that comprised 115 cases suggests an additional carbon loss due to intensive grazing of about 21%. Very high stocking rates (N4–5 heads/ha) explain such losses. …

Although animal densities were heterogeneously distributed […] in this study we assumed that those densities were low enough to prevent any significant loss of belowground C. So, we desisted from applying any uncertain coefficient to account for carbon losses due to grazing intensity. …

Change of C stock due to land conversion was not specifically consid- ered in this research methods, but some aspects deserve a comment. There is meaningful question that has not still been completely an- swered. Do forests always sequester more C than grasslands as IPCC guidelines assumed? In a global meta-analysis that involved 385 studies on land-use change in the tropics Don et al. (2010) tend to confirm this assumption.

They showed that the highest SOC losses were caused by conversion of primary forest into cropland (−25%) and perennial crops (−30%), and forest conversion into grassland also reduced SOC stocks by 12%. …

Although management practices were not analyzed in this study, in line with scientific evidence (Conant et al., 2017) we also believe that management is a factor that can significantly improve carbon sequestra- tion. But provided that our knowledge about how grazing lands are managed in different sites of world is limited, we have to accept that figures on C sequestration due to management interventions remain uncertain (Smith et al., 2007).
–– E.F. Viglizzo et al.: "Reassessing the role of grazing lands in carbon-balance estimations: Meta-analysis and review", Science of the Total Environment, 661 (2019) 531–542.




Cattle raising currently and globally emits much more than it captures in the long run. Only grass fed beef can be sustainable in the sense of 'less damaging'; and only on suitable land that is not forested now. As soon as you feed grains to cattle in mass the calculation fails. And the optimistic calculation from the claim only could work if the pasture would be growing topsoil with carbon incorporated into it in more stable forms. When organic matter recycling, or erosion and other forms of topsoil loss enter the picture, again, the calculation fails.




enter image description here



Cattle dominate livestock related emissions, contributing around 65% of the total, buffaloes and small ruminants add a further 9% and 7% respectively, so in all ruminants account for over 80% of total livestock related climate impacts, most significantly via enteric methane (Figure 3) – which are highest, per unit of milk or meat, in grazing systems. Other studies give broadly comparable estimates. This 80% share of GHG emissions is worth setting against the 50% that ruminants contribute to overall terrestrial animal product protein supply (Figure 3). Grazing systems specifically emit an estimated 1.32 Gt CO2-eq (a figure that includes land use change-related impacts), which is about 20% of all emissions from livestock.



  • Soils are very significant carbon stores. All soils contain carbon although different soil types differ in how much they contain. Above ground biomass also stores carbon – especially trees.

  • As plants grow they draw down carbon from the atmosphere, apportioning some into their roots. Much of this is released back to the atmosphere when plants die and decompose. But, if left undisturbed, some of the carbon in their roots and in plant litter – depending on climate, rainfall, the soil microbial community, management and many other variables – may eventually be incorporated into more stable compounds in the soil, constituting a net removal of carbon from the atmosphere. This is soil carbon sequestration.

  • If favourable conditions continue, soils sequester carbon until equilibrium is reached, after which emissions and removals are balanced and no more is sequestered. Further increases in sequestration may be possible if there is a change in how the land is used or managed.

  • Sufficient nitrogen needs to be available for plants to grow and therefore for soils to sequester carbon. This can be provided in the form of bacterial nitrogen fixation, such as that associated with the roots of legumes, application of mineral fertilisers or organic amendments containing nitrogen, but higher nitrous oxide emissions may outweigh sequestration gains.

  • Since sequestration is time-limited, so too is its role in mitigation efforts. There are additional problems of reversibility (what can be done can be undone) and leakage (organic amendments applied on one area of land may be at the cost of its previous application elsewhere). Legacy effects of past management practices also need recognising to avoid drawing false conclusions about the effects of the current management regime.

  • Grazing animals potentially aid the process of sequestration as their consumption of herbage stimulates plant growth and leads to the partitioning of and increase in organic matter below ground.

  • Factors including soil type and quality, climate and seasonal variability, precipition levels, nutrient availability, composition of soil fauna and microbial communities, and vegetation type will influence whether organic matter is converted into stable below ground carbon which determines if sequestration actually occurs.

  • In many parts of the world the potential for grazing management to achieve sequestration is limited or absent.

  • Heavy grazing is a problem on many grazing lands: by reducing plant growth, it causes carbon losses from the system.

  • Evidence as to the sequestration benefits of holistic, adaptive and other variants of rotational grazing is patchy and highly contradictory. Where there are benefits, these are small.

  • The highly ambitious claims made about the potential for holistic grazing to mitigate climate change are wrong.

  • The sequestration potential from grazing management is between 295–800 Mt CO2-eq/year: this offsets only 20-60% of annual average emissions from the grazing ruminant sector, and makes a negligible dent on overall livestock emissions.

  • Expansion or intensification in the grazing sector as an approach to sequestering more carbon would lead to substantial increases in methane, nitrous oxide and land use change-induced CO2 emissions…

  • Practices that are optimal for achieving soil carbon sequestration may not be so for other environmental goals, such as biodiversity conservation.

  • Leaving aside any scope for sequestration it is imperative that we ‘keep carbon in the ground’: by acting to halt degradation or conversion to croplands to avoid losing the huge carbon stocks already stored in grasslands.

–– Tara Garnett, Cécile Godde et al.: "Grazed and confused? – Ruminating on cattle, grazing systems, methane, nitrous oxide, the soil carbon sequestration question – and what it all means for greenhouse gas emissions", Food Climate Research Network, Oxford Martin Programme on the Future of Food Environmental Change Institute, University of Oxford, 2017. (PDF)







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  • I wonder if it would be beneficial to capture the methane from (essentially) cow farts and burn it for energy... Would that be a net reduction in GHG emissions?

    – Beefster
    4 hours ago






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    That would require an enclosed and ventilated space that allows you to trap and filter all the, ah, 'air'flow in the area, which by definition wouldn't be an open pasture anymore at that point.

    – Shadur
    4 hours ago











  • @Shadur Such buildings do exist (as well as other methane capture systems for dairy/meat farms) but its really really inefficient. I was trying to find a picture and ran across the pays-for-itself number of 10 years.

    – Draco18s
    2 hours ago











  • @Draco18s Note that your link is apparently not even talking about stables but "anaerobic digesters" for biogas capture (instead of simply letting the manure rot on its own in the open). The methane in such a system is not from the cows directly, but from microbes going to town on the shit. That seems to me much cheaper since it is smaller and an enclosed system anyway, than filtering the cow barn air.

    – LangLangC
    1 hour ago















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This is not really an infographic that is truthful. Pasture land can sequester some carbon, yes, but how meaningful is that? Carbon is just the element, and the element is not a greenhouse gas (GHG). Carbon dioxide is a GHG, and yes, green pastures do capture some CO2. But even if true that 112 tons of carbon gas is emitted and 500 tons sequestered annually, what does that translate to in practice if 500 tons of CO2 are captured but 112 tons of methane released? For global warming climate change that would be a huge problem as methane is much more warming than CO2. It also leaves out other gasses like NO2 that are also a bigger problem than CO2. With that line of reasoning one could also argue that killing and eating a cow stops it from producing methane and thus the animal meat eaten by humans is saving the planet!



Of course, the picture alludes to how coal and oil got into the ground in the first place. Plants and animals are carbon based, when they died and were buried deep enough without immediate decomposition/recycling by other lifeforms the were effectively sequestering carbon out of the atmosphere.



The reality looks a bit different for current farming practices. Only careful management in a less than now common in industrialised intensive farming has the potential to be less damaging for the atmosphere. The style and sheer amount of Western capitalist agroculture for cattle raising has to be reduced or changed significantly otherwise, as no farming practice that conforms to current market demands complies with reducing GHG emmissions.



The US Natural Resources Conservation Service currently advises a rule of thumb that 1 cow needs 2 acres to be fed with grass for a year.




The daily utilization rate for livestock. This is always the same number, .04, or 4%. This figure is used because livestock need to have 4% of their weight in forage each day (2.5- 3% intake, .5 trampling loss and .5-1% buffer). (PDF)




With 130 animals on the example from the claim, that farm is already quite crowded and it will damage the pasture if it is not extremely productive and resilient or other fodder than grass is provided into the mix. Since that's left out from the picture, the numbers are already skewed.



This effect isn't really news:




Overgrazing of pasturelands is one of the major problems facing the Oklahoma farmer today. Aside from soil erosion on cultivated land, excessive pasturing of prairie and woodland is perhaps our greatest agricultural menace. Greater runoff from grazing land as the vegetation is destroyed added to water lost from tilled soil has increased the flood problem not only in Oklahoma but throughout the country.
–– Charles Clinton Smith: "The Effect of Overgrazing and Erosion Upon the Biota of the Mixed-Grass Prairie of Oklahoma", Ecology, Vol. 21, No. 3 (Jul., 1940), pp. 381-397.




And even in scientific studies arguing for re-calculating the CO2-sink effect of grasslands has to admit:




Grazing pressure is a factor that affects C sequestration although it was not included in this study. …
This question does not have a sim- ple answer if we consider that our study was focused on a regional scale. It is clear that C losses may be high in grazing areas of high cattle den- sity. Intensive and frequent grazing imposes an increased C removal from roots to allow subsequent vegetation regrowth. For example, a meta-analysis investigation (Zhou et al., 2017) that comprised 115 cases suggests an additional carbon loss due to intensive grazing of about 21%. Very high stocking rates (N4–5 heads/ha) explain such losses. …

Although animal densities were heterogeneously distributed […] in this study we assumed that those densities were low enough to prevent any significant loss of belowground C. So, we desisted from applying any uncertain coefficient to account for carbon losses due to grazing intensity. …

Change of C stock due to land conversion was not specifically consid- ered in this research methods, but some aspects deserve a comment. There is meaningful question that has not still been completely an- swered. Do forests always sequester more C than grasslands as IPCC guidelines assumed? In a global meta-analysis that involved 385 studies on land-use change in the tropics Don et al. (2010) tend to confirm this assumption.

They showed that the highest SOC losses were caused by conversion of primary forest into cropland (−25%) and perennial crops (−30%), and forest conversion into grassland also reduced SOC stocks by 12%. …

Although management practices were not analyzed in this study, in line with scientific evidence (Conant et al., 2017) we also believe that management is a factor that can significantly improve carbon sequestra- tion. But provided that our knowledge about how grazing lands are managed in different sites of world is limited, we have to accept that figures on C sequestration due to management interventions remain uncertain (Smith et al., 2007).
–– E.F. Viglizzo et al.: "Reassessing the role of grazing lands in carbon-balance estimations: Meta-analysis and review", Science of the Total Environment, 661 (2019) 531–542.




Cattle raising currently and globally emits much more than it captures in the long run. Only grass fed beef can be sustainable in the sense of 'less damaging'; and only on suitable land that is not forested now. As soon as you feed grains to cattle in mass the calculation fails. And the optimistic calculation from the claim only could work if the pasture would be growing topsoil with carbon incorporated into it in more stable forms. When organic matter recycling, or erosion and other forms of topsoil loss enter the picture, again, the calculation fails.




enter image description here



Cattle dominate livestock related emissions, contributing around 65% of the total, buffaloes and small ruminants add a further 9% and 7% respectively, so in all ruminants account for over 80% of total livestock related climate impacts, most significantly via enteric methane (Figure 3) – which are highest, per unit of milk or meat, in grazing systems. Other studies give broadly comparable estimates. This 80% share of GHG emissions is worth setting against the 50% that ruminants contribute to overall terrestrial animal product protein supply (Figure 3). Grazing systems specifically emit an estimated 1.32 Gt CO2-eq (a figure that includes land use change-related impacts), which is about 20% of all emissions from livestock.



  • Soils are very significant carbon stores. All soils contain carbon although different soil types differ in how much they contain. Above ground biomass also stores carbon – especially trees.

  • As plants grow they draw down carbon from the atmosphere, apportioning some into their roots. Much of this is released back to the atmosphere when plants die and decompose. But, if left undisturbed, some of the carbon in their roots and in plant litter – depending on climate, rainfall, the soil microbial community, management and many other variables – may eventually be incorporated into more stable compounds in the soil, constituting a net removal of carbon from the atmosphere. This is soil carbon sequestration.

  • If favourable conditions continue, soils sequester carbon until equilibrium is reached, after which emissions and removals are balanced and no more is sequestered. Further increases in sequestration may be possible if there is a change in how the land is used or managed.

  • Sufficient nitrogen needs to be available for plants to grow and therefore for soils to sequester carbon. This can be provided in the form of bacterial nitrogen fixation, such as that associated with the roots of legumes, application of mineral fertilisers or organic amendments containing nitrogen, but higher nitrous oxide emissions may outweigh sequestration gains.

  • Since sequestration is time-limited, so too is its role in mitigation efforts. There are additional problems of reversibility (what can be done can be undone) and leakage (organic amendments applied on one area of land may be at the cost of its previous application elsewhere). Legacy effects of past management practices also need recognising to avoid drawing false conclusions about the effects of the current management regime.

  • Grazing animals potentially aid the process of sequestration as their consumption of herbage stimulates plant growth and leads to the partitioning of and increase in organic matter below ground.

  • Factors including soil type and quality, climate and seasonal variability, precipition levels, nutrient availability, composition of soil fauna and microbial communities, and vegetation type will influence whether organic matter is converted into stable below ground carbon which determines if sequestration actually occurs.

  • In many parts of the world the potential for grazing management to achieve sequestration is limited or absent.

  • Heavy grazing is a problem on many grazing lands: by reducing plant growth, it causes carbon losses from the system.

  • Evidence as to the sequestration benefits of holistic, adaptive and other variants of rotational grazing is patchy and highly contradictory. Where there are benefits, these are small.

  • The highly ambitious claims made about the potential for holistic grazing to mitigate climate change are wrong.

  • The sequestration potential from grazing management is between 295–800 Mt CO2-eq/year: this offsets only 20-60% of annual average emissions from the grazing ruminant sector, and makes a negligible dent on overall livestock emissions.

  • Expansion or intensification in the grazing sector as an approach to sequestering more carbon would lead to substantial increases in methane, nitrous oxide and land use change-induced CO2 emissions…

  • Practices that are optimal for achieving soil carbon sequestration may not be so for other environmental goals, such as biodiversity conservation.

  • Leaving aside any scope for sequestration it is imperative that we ‘keep carbon in the ground’: by acting to halt degradation or conversion to croplands to avoid losing the huge carbon stocks already stored in grasslands.

–– Tara Garnett, Cécile Godde et al.: "Grazed and confused? – Ruminating on cattle, grazing systems, methane, nitrous oxide, the soil carbon sequestration question – and what it all means for greenhouse gas emissions", Food Climate Research Network, Oxford Martin Programme on the Future of Food Environmental Change Institute, University of Oxford, 2017. (PDF)







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  • I wonder if it would be beneficial to capture the methane from (essentially) cow farts and burn it for energy... Would that be a net reduction in GHG emissions?

    – Beefster
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    That would require an enclosed and ventilated space that allows you to trap and filter all the, ah, 'air'flow in the area, which by definition wouldn't be an open pasture anymore at that point.

    – Shadur
    4 hours ago











  • @Shadur Such buildings do exist (as well as other methane capture systems for dairy/meat farms) but its really really inefficient. I was trying to find a picture and ran across the pays-for-itself number of 10 years.

    – Draco18s
    2 hours ago











  • @Draco18s Note that your link is apparently not even talking about stables but "anaerobic digesters" for biogas capture (instead of simply letting the manure rot on its own in the open). The methane in such a system is not from the cows directly, but from microbes going to town on the shit. That seems to me much cheaper since it is smaller and an enclosed system anyway, than filtering the cow barn air.

    – LangLangC
    1 hour ago













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This is not really an infographic that is truthful. Pasture land can sequester some carbon, yes, but how meaningful is that? Carbon is just the element, and the element is not a greenhouse gas (GHG). Carbon dioxide is a GHG, and yes, green pastures do capture some CO2. But even if true that 112 tons of carbon gas is emitted and 500 tons sequestered annually, what does that translate to in practice if 500 tons of CO2 are captured but 112 tons of methane released? For global warming climate change that would be a huge problem as methane is much more warming than CO2. It also leaves out other gasses like NO2 that are also a bigger problem than CO2. With that line of reasoning one could also argue that killing and eating a cow stops it from producing methane and thus the animal meat eaten by humans is saving the planet!



Of course, the picture alludes to how coal and oil got into the ground in the first place. Plants and animals are carbon based, when they died and were buried deep enough without immediate decomposition/recycling by other lifeforms the were effectively sequestering carbon out of the atmosphere.



The reality looks a bit different for current farming practices. Only careful management in a less than now common in industrialised intensive farming has the potential to be less damaging for the atmosphere. The style and sheer amount of Western capitalist agroculture for cattle raising has to be reduced or changed significantly otherwise, as no farming practice that conforms to current market demands complies with reducing GHG emmissions.



The US Natural Resources Conservation Service currently advises a rule of thumb that 1 cow needs 2 acres to be fed with grass for a year.




The daily utilization rate for livestock. This is always the same number, .04, or 4%. This figure is used because livestock need to have 4% of their weight in forage each day (2.5- 3% intake, .5 trampling loss and .5-1% buffer). (PDF)




With 130 animals on the example from the claim, that farm is already quite crowded and it will damage the pasture if it is not extremely productive and resilient or other fodder than grass is provided into the mix. Since that's left out from the picture, the numbers are already skewed.



This effect isn't really news:




Overgrazing of pasturelands is one of the major problems facing the Oklahoma farmer today. Aside from soil erosion on cultivated land, excessive pasturing of prairie and woodland is perhaps our greatest agricultural menace. Greater runoff from grazing land as the vegetation is destroyed added to water lost from tilled soil has increased the flood problem not only in Oklahoma but throughout the country.
–– Charles Clinton Smith: "The Effect of Overgrazing and Erosion Upon the Biota of the Mixed-Grass Prairie of Oklahoma", Ecology, Vol. 21, No. 3 (Jul., 1940), pp. 381-397.




And even in scientific studies arguing for re-calculating the CO2-sink effect of grasslands has to admit:




Grazing pressure is a factor that affects C sequestration although it was not included in this study. …
This question does not have a sim- ple answer if we consider that our study was focused on a regional scale. It is clear that C losses may be high in grazing areas of high cattle den- sity. Intensive and frequent grazing imposes an increased C removal from roots to allow subsequent vegetation regrowth. For example, a meta-analysis investigation (Zhou et al., 2017) that comprised 115 cases suggests an additional carbon loss due to intensive grazing of about 21%. Very high stocking rates (N4–5 heads/ha) explain such losses. …

Although animal densities were heterogeneously distributed […] in this study we assumed that those densities were low enough to prevent any significant loss of belowground C. So, we desisted from applying any uncertain coefficient to account for carbon losses due to grazing intensity. …

Change of C stock due to land conversion was not specifically consid- ered in this research methods, but some aspects deserve a comment. There is meaningful question that has not still been completely an- swered. Do forests always sequester more C than grasslands as IPCC guidelines assumed? In a global meta-analysis that involved 385 studies on land-use change in the tropics Don et al. (2010) tend to confirm this assumption.

They showed that the highest SOC losses were caused by conversion of primary forest into cropland (−25%) and perennial crops (−30%), and forest conversion into grassland also reduced SOC stocks by 12%. …

Although management practices were not analyzed in this study, in line with scientific evidence (Conant et al., 2017) we also believe that management is a factor that can significantly improve carbon sequestra- tion. But provided that our knowledge about how grazing lands are managed in different sites of world is limited, we have to accept that figures on C sequestration due to management interventions remain uncertain (Smith et al., 2007).
–– E.F. Viglizzo et al.: "Reassessing the role of grazing lands in carbon-balance estimations: Meta-analysis and review", Science of the Total Environment, 661 (2019) 531–542.




Cattle raising currently and globally emits much more than it captures in the long run. Only grass fed beef can be sustainable in the sense of 'less damaging'; and only on suitable land that is not forested now. As soon as you feed grains to cattle in mass the calculation fails. And the optimistic calculation from the claim only could work if the pasture would be growing topsoil with carbon incorporated into it in more stable forms. When organic matter recycling, or erosion and other forms of topsoil loss enter the picture, again, the calculation fails.




enter image description here



Cattle dominate livestock related emissions, contributing around 65% of the total, buffaloes and small ruminants add a further 9% and 7% respectively, so in all ruminants account for over 80% of total livestock related climate impacts, most significantly via enteric methane (Figure 3) – which are highest, per unit of milk or meat, in grazing systems. Other studies give broadly comparable estimates. This 80% share of GHG emissions is worth setting against the 50% that ruminants contribute to overall terrestrial animal product protein supply (Figure 3). Grazing systems specifically emit an estimated 1.32 Gt CO2-eq (a figure that includes land use change-related impacts), which is about 20% of all emissions from livestock.



  • Soils are very significant carbon stores. All soils contain carbon although different soil types differ in how much they contain. Above ground biomass also stores carbon – especially trees.

  • As plants grow they draw down carbon from the atmosphere, apportioning some into their roots. Much of this is released back to the atmosphere when plants die and decompose. But, if left undisturbed, some of the carbon in their roots and in plant litter – depending on climate, rainfall, the soil microbial community, management and many other variables – may eventually be incorporated into more stable compounds in the soil, constituting a net removal of carbon from the atmosphere. This is soil carbon sequestration.

  • If favourable conditions continue, soils sequester carbon until equilibrium is reached, after which emissions and removals are balanced and no more is sequestered. Further increases in sequestration may be possible if there is a change in how the land is used or managed.

  • Sufficient nitrogen needs to be available for plants to grow and therefore for soils to sequester carbon. This can be provided in the form of bacterial nitrogen fixation, such as that associated with the roots of legumes, application of mineral fertilisers or organic amendments containing nitrogen, but higher nitrous oxide emissions may outweigh sequestration gains.

  • Since sequestration is time-limited, so too is its role in mitigation efforts. There are additional problems of reversibility (what can be done can be undone) and leakage (organic amendments applied on one area of land may be at the cost of its previous application elsewhere). Legacy effects of past management practices also need recognising to avoid drawing false conclusions about the effects of the current management regime.

  • Grazing animals potentially aid the process of sequestration as their consumption of herbage stimulates plant growth and leads to the partitioning of and increase in organic matter below ground.

  • Factors including soil type and quality, climate and seasonal variability, precipition levels, nutrient availability, composition of soil fauna and microbial communities, and vegetation type will influence whether organic matter is converted into stable below ground carbon which determines if sequestration actually occurs.

  • In many parts of the world the potential for grazing management to achieve sequestration is limited or absent.

  • Heavy grazing is a problem on many grazing lands: by reducing plant growth, it causes carbon losses from the system.

  • Evidence as to the sequestration benefits of holistic, adaptive and other variants of rotational grazing is patchy and highly contradictory. Where there are benefits, these are small.

  • The highly ambitious claims made about the potential for holistic grazing to mitigate climate change are wrong.

  • The sequestration potential from grazing management is between 295–800 Mt CO2-eq/year: this offsets only 20-60% of annual average emissions from the grazing ruminant sector, and makes a negligible dent on overall livestock emissions.

  • Expansion or intensification in the grazing sector as an approach to sequestering more carbon would lead to substantial increases in methane, nitrous oxide and land use change-induced CO2 emissions…

  • Practices that are optimal for achieving soil carbon sequestration may not be so for other environmental goals, such as biodiversity conservation.

  • Leaving aside any scope for sequestration it is imperative that we ‘keep carbon in the ground’: by acting to halt degradation or conversion to croplands to avoid losing the huge carbon stocks already stored in grasslands.

–– Tara Garnett, Cécile Godde et al.: "Grazed and confused? – Ruminating on cattle, grazing systems, methane, nitrous oxide, the soil carbon sequestration question – and what it all means for greenhouse gas emissions", Food Climate Research Network, Oxford Martin Programme on the Future of Food Environmental Change Institute, University of Oxford, 2017. (PDF)







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This is not really an infographic that is truthful. Pasture land can sequester some carbon, yes, but how meaningful is that? Carbon is just the element, and the element is not a greenhouse gas (GHG). Carbon dioxide is a GHG, and yes, green pastures do capture some CO2. But even if true that 112 tons of carbon gas is emitted and 500 tons sequestered annually, what does that translate to in practice if 500 tons of CO2 are captured but 112 tons of methane released? For global warming climate change that would be a huge problem as methane is much more warming than CO2. It also leaves out other gasses like NO2 that are also a bigger problem than CO2. With that line of reasoning one could also argue that killing and eating a cow stops it from producing methane and thus the animal meat eaten by humans is saving the planet!



Of course, the picture alludes to how coal and oil got into the ground in the first place. Plants and animals are carbon based, when they died and were buried deep enough without immediate decomposition/recycling by other lifeforms the were effectively sequestering carbon out of the atmosphere.



The reality looks a bit different for current farming practices. Only careful management in a less than now common in industrialised intensive farming has the potential to be less damaging for the atmosphere. The style and sheer amount of Western capitalist agroculture for cattle raising has to be reduced or changed significantly otherwise, as no farming practice that conforms to current market demands complies with reducing GHG emmissions.



The US Natural Resources Conservation Service currently advises a rule of thumb that 1 cow needs 2 acres to be fed with grass for a year.




The daily utilization rate for livestock. This is always the same number, .04, or 4%. This figure is used because livestock need to have 4% of their weight in forage each day (2.5- 3% intake, .5 trampling loss and .5-1% buffer). (PDF)




With 130 animals on the example from the claim, that farm is already quite crowded and it will damage the pasture if it is not extremely productive and resilient or other fodder than grass is provided into the mix. Since that's left out from the picture, the numbers are already skewed.



This effect isn't really news:




Overgrazing of pasturelands is one of the major problems facing the Oklahoma farmer today. Aside from soil erosion on cultivated land, excessive pasturing of prairie and woodland is perhaps our greatest agricultural menace. Greater runoff from grazing land as the vegetation is destroyed added to water lost from tilled soil has increased the flood problem not only in Oklahoma but throughout the country.
–– Charles Clinton Smith: "The Effect of Overgrazing and Erosion Upon the Biota of the Mixed-Grass Prairie of Oklahoma", Ecology, Vol. 21, No. 3 (Jul., 1940), pp. 381-397.




And even in scientific studies arguing for re-calculating the CO2-sink effect of grasslands has to admit:




Grazing pressure is a factor that affects C sequestration although it was not included in this study. …
This question does not have a sim- ple answer if we consider that our study was focused on a regional scale. It is clear that C losses may be high in grazing areas of high cattle den- sity. Intensive and frequent grazing imposes an increased C removal from roots to allow subsequent vegetation regrowth. For example, a meta-analysis investigation (Zhou et al., 2017) that comprised 115 cases suggests an additional carbon loss due to intensive grazing of about 21%. Very high stocking rates (N4–5 heads/ha) explain such losses. …

Although animal densities were heterogeneously distributed […] in this study we assumed that those densities were low enough to prevent any significant loss of belowground C. So, we desisted from applying any uncertain coefficient to account for carbon losses due to grazing intensity. …

Change of C stock due to land conversion was not specifically consid- ered in this research methods, but some aspects deserve a comment. There is meaningful question that has not still been completely an- swered. Do forests always sequester more C than grasslands as IPCC guidelines assumed? In a global meta-analysis that involved 385 studies on land-use change in the tropics Don et al. (2010) tend to confirm this assumption.

They showed that the highest SOC losses were caused by conversion of primary forest into cropland (−25%) and perennial crops (−30%), and forest conversion into grassland also reduced SOC stocks by 12%. …

Although management practices were not analyzed in this study, in line with scientific evidence (Conant et al., 2017) we also believe that management is a factor that can significantly improve carbon sequestra- tion. But provided that our knowledge about how grazing lands are managed in different sites of world is limited, we have to accept that figures on C sequestration due to management interventions remain uncertain (Smith et al., 2007).
–– E.F. Viglizzo et al.: "Reassessing the role of grazing lands in carbon-balance estimations: Meta-analysis and review", Science of the Total Environment, 661 (2019) 531–542.




Cattle raising currently and globally emits much more than it captures in the long run. Only grass fed beef can be sustainable in the sense of 'less damaging'; and only on suitable land that is not forested now. As soon as you feed grains to cattle in mass the calculation fails. And the optimistic calculation from the claim only could work if the pasture would be growing topsoil with carbon incorporated into it in more stable forms. When organic matter recycling, or erosion and other forms of topsoil loss enter the picture, again, the calculation fails.




enter image description here



Cattle dominate livestock related emissions, contributing around 65% of the total, buffaloes and small ruminants add a further 9% and 7% respectively, so in all ruminants account for over 80% of total livestock related climate impacts, most significantly via enteric methane (Figure 3) – which are highest, per unit of milk or meat, in grazing systems. Other studies give broadly comparable estimates. This 80% share of GHG emissions is worth setting against the 50% that ruminants contribute to overall terrestrial animal product protein supply (Figure 3). Grazing systems specifically emit an estimated 1.32 Gt CO2-eq (a figure that includes land use change-related impacts), which is about 20% of all emissions from livestock.



  • Soils are very significant carbon stores. All soils contain carbon although different soil types differ in how much they contain. Above ground biomass also stores carbon – especially trees.

  • As plants grow they draw down carbon from the atmosphere, apportioning some into their roots. Much of this is released back to the atmosphere when plants die and decompose. But, if left undisturbed, some of the carbon in their roots and in plant litter – depending on climate, rainfall, the soil microbial community, management and many other variables – may eventually be incorporated into more stable compounds in the soil, constituting a net removal of carbon from the atmosphere. This is soil carbon sequestration.

  • If favourable conditions continue, soils sequester carbon until equilibrium is reached, after which emissions and removals are balanced and no more is sequestered. Further increases in sequestration may be possible if there is a change in how the land is used or managed.

  • Sufficient nitrogen needs to be available for plants to grow and therefore for soils to sequester carbon. This can be provided in the form of bacterial nitrogen fixation, such as that associated with the roots of legumes, application of mineral fertilisers or organic amendments containing nitrogen, but higher nitrous oxide emissions may outweigh sequestration gains.

  • Since sequestration is time-limited, so too is its role in mitigation efforts. There are additional problems of reversibility (what can be done can be undone) and leakage (organic amendments applied on one area of land may be at the cost of its previous application elsewhere). Legacy effects of past management practices also need recognising to avoid drawing false conclusions about the effects of the current management regime.

  • Grazing animals potentially aid the process of sequestration as their consumption of herbage stimulates plant growth and leads to the partitioning of and increase in organic matter below ground.

  • Factors including soil type and quality, climate and seasonal variability, precipition levels, nutrient availability, composition of soil fauna and microbial communities, and vegetation type will influence whether organic matter is converted into stable below ground carbon which determines if sequestration actually occurs.

  • In many parts of the world the potential for grazing management to achieve sequestration is limited or absent.

  • Heavy grazing is a problem on many grazing lands: by reducing plant growth, it causes carbon losses from the system.

  • Evidence as to the sequestration benefits of holistic, adaptive and other variants of rotational grazing is patchy and highly contradictory. Where there are benefits, these are small.

  • The highly ambitious claims made about the potential for holistic grazing to mitigate climate change are wrong.

  • The sequestration potential from grazing management is between 295–800 Mt CO2-eq/year: this offsets only 20-60% of annual average emissions from the grazing ruminant sector, and makes a negligible dent on overall livestock emissions.

  • Expansion or intensification in the grazing sector as an approach to sequestering more carbon would lead to substantial increases in methane, nitrous oxide and land use change-induced CO2 emissions…

  • Practices that are optimal for achieving soil carbon sequestration may not be so for other environmental goals, such as biodiversity conservation.

  • Leaving aside any scope for sequestration it is imperative that we ‘keep carbon in the ground’: by acting to halt degradation or conversion to croplands to avoid losing the huge carbon stocks already stored in grasslands.

–– Tara Garnett, Cécile Godde et al.: "Grazed and confused? – Ruminating on cattle, grazing systems, methane, nitrous oxide, the soil carbon sequestration question – and what it all means for greenhouse gas emissions", Food Climate Research Network, Oxford Martin Programme on the Future of Food Environmental Change Institute, University of Oxford, 2017. (PDF)








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  • I wonder if it would be beneficial to capture the methane from (essentially) cow farts and burn it for energy... Would that be a net reduction in GHG emissions?

    – Beefster
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    That would require an enclosed and ventilated space that allows you to trap and filter all the, ah, 'air'flow in the area, which by definition wouldn't be an open pasture anymore at that point.

    – Shadur
    4 hours ago











  • @Shadur Such buildings do exist (as well as other methane capture systems for dairy/meat farms) but its really really inefficient. I was trying to find a picture and ran across the pays-for-itself number of 10 years.

    – Draco18s
    2 hours ago











  • @Draco18s Note that your link is apparently not even talking about stables but "anaerobic digesters" for biogas capture (instead of simply letting the manure rot on its own in the open). The methane in such a system is not from the cows directly, but from microbes going to town on the shit. That seems to me much cheaper since it is smaller and an enclosed system anyway, than filtering the cow barn air.

    – LangLangC
    1 hour ago

















  • I wonder if it would be beneficial to capture the methane from (essentially) cow farts and burn it for energy... Would that be a net reduction in GHG emissions?

    – Beefster
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    That would require an enclosed and ventilated space that allows you to trap and filter all the, ah, 'air'flow in the area, which by definition wouldn't be an open pasture anymore at that point.

    – Shadur
    4 hours ago











  • @Shadur Such buildings do exist (as well as other methane capture systems for dairy/meat farms) but its really really inefficient. I was trying to find a picture and ran across the pays-for-itself number of 10 years.

    – Draco18s
    2 hours ago











  • @Draco18s Note that your link is apparently not even talking about stables but "anaerobic digesters" for biogas capture (instead of simply letting the manure rot on its own in the open). The methane in such a system is not from the cows directly, but from microbes going to town on the shit. That seems to me much cheaper since it is smaller and an enclosed system anyway, than filtering the cow barn air.

    – LangLangC
    1 hour ago
















I wonder if it would be beneficial to capture the methane from (essentially) cow farts and burn it for energy... Would that be a net reduction in GHG emissions?

– Beefster
4 hours ago





I wonder if it would be beneficial to capture the methane from (essentially) cow farts and burn it for energy... Would that be a net reduction in GHG emissions?

– Beefster
4 hours ago




1




1





That would require an enclosed and ventilated space that allows you to trap and filter all the, ah, 'air'flow in the area, which by definition wouldn't be an open pasture anymore at that point.

– Shadur
4 hours ago





That would require an enclosed and ventilated space that allows you to trap and filter all the, ah, 'air'flow in the area, which by definition wouldn't be an open pasture anymore at that point.

– Shadur
4 hours ago













@Shadur Such buildings do exist (as well as other methane capture systems for dairy/meat farms) but its really really inefficient. I was trying to find a picture and ran across the pays-for-itself number of 10 years.

– Draco18s
2 hours ago





@Shadur Such buildings do exist (as well as other methane capture systems for dairy/meat farms) but its really really inefficient. I was trying to find a picture and ran across the pays-for-itself number of 10 years.

– Draco18s
2 hours ago













@Draco18s Note that your link is apparently not even talking about stables but "anaerobic digesters" for biogas capture (instead of simply letting the manure rot on its own in the open). The methane in such a system is not from the cows directly, but from microbes going to town on the shit. That seems to me much cheaper since it is smaller and an enclosed system anyway, than filtering the cow barn air.

– LangLangC
1 hour ago





@Draco18s Note that your link is apparently not even talking about stables but "anaerobic digesters" for biogas capture (instead of simply letting the manure rot on its own in the open). The methane in such a system is not from the cows directly, but from microbes going to town on the shit. That seems to me much cheaper since it is smaller and an enclosed system anyway, than filtering the cow barn air.

– LangLangC
1 hour ago











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Some of it is close to factual data for one particular farm in Nova Scotia.



Infographic have been based on calculation from this site https://wild-mountain-farm.myshopify.com/blogs/pasture-connections/11745121-calculating-the-carbon-footprint-of-our-grass-fed-beef The calculation is made with a calculator that is no longer available (or I couldn't find one that is called CPLAN).
But using data from Carbon Footprint of Beef Cattle (the values are pretty similar in various researches) and estimated weight of 50 cows and 80 calves, even taking the lower values we end up with 154 tones.



The "Source" page also state that they produce "around" 29 tones of carbon from equipment (truck, tractors coolers). But they statements are prefixed with "About, around"



The thing is that for that particular farm the amount of acres is actually 300 not 150. They state they have 300 acres of which 150 is used for hayland and second part for grassland. And the result, of 554, is based on those 300 acres. Someone who made the infographic "tweaked" data a little to have better visual outcome.






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    Any comment on the flawed modelling that suggests they will continue to sequester 3 percentage points of organic material in the ground per year, meaning in 50 years the soil will >150% organic matter?

    – Oddthinking
    9 hours ago






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    @Oddthinking - perhaps it translates better into a 3% deepening of the organic layer in the soil. e.g. deeper topsoil?

    – IronEagle
    3 hours ago















4














Some of it is close to factual data for one particular farm in Nova Scotia.



Infographic have been based on calculation from this site https://wild-mountain-farm.myshopify.com/blogs/pasture-connections/11745121-calculating-the-carbon-footprint-of-our-grass-fed-beef The calculation is made with a calculator that is no longer available (or I couldn't find one that is called CPLAN).
But using data from Carbon Footprint of Beef Cattle (the values are pretty similar in various researches) and estimated weight of 50 cows and 80 calves, even taking the lower values we end up with 154 tones.



The "Source" page also state that they produce "around" 29 tones of carbon from equipment (truck, tractors coolers). But they statements are prefixed with "About, around"



The thing is that for that particular farm the amount of acres is actually 300 not 150. They state they have 300 acres of which 150 is used for hayland and second part for grassland. And the result, of 554, is based on those 300 acres. Someone who made the infographic "tweaked" data a little to have better visual outcome.






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  • 2





    Any comment on the flawed modelling that suggests they will continue to sequester 3 percentage points of organic material in the ground per year, meaning in 50 years the soil will >150% organic matter?

    – Oddthinking
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    @Oddthinking - perhaps it translates better into a 3% deepening of the organic layer in the soil. e.g. deeper topsoil?

    – IronEagle
    3 hours ago













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4







Some of it is close to factual data for one particular farm in Nova Scotia.



Infographic have been based on calculation from this site https://wild-mountain-farm.myshopify.com/blogs/pasture-connections/11745121-calculating-the-carbon-footprint-of-our-grass-fed-beef The calculation is made with a calculator that is no longer available (or I couldn't find one that is called CPLAN).
But using data from Carbon Footprint of Beef Cattle (the values are pretty similar in various researches) and estimated weight of 50 cows and 80 calves, even taking the lower values we end up with 154 tones.



The "Source" page also state that they produce "around" 29 tones of carbon from equipment (truck, tractors coolers). But they statements are prefixed with "About, around"



The thing is that for that particular farm the amount of acres is actually 300 not 150. They state they have 300 acres of which 150 is used for hayland and second part for grassland. And the result, of 554, is based on those 300 acres. Someone who made the infographic "tweaked" data a little to have better visual outcome.






share|improve this answer













Some of it is close to factual data for one particular farm in Nova Scotia.



Infographic have been based on calculation from this site https://wild-mountain-farm.myshopify.com/blogs/pasture-connections/11745121-calculating-the-carbon-footprint-of-our-grass-fed-beef The calculation is made with a calculator that is no longer available (or I couldn't find one that is called CPLAN).
But using data from Carbon Footprint of Beef Cattle (the values are pretty similar in various researches) and estimated weight of 50 cows and 80 calves, even taking the lower values we end up with 154 tones.



The "Source" page also state that they produce "around" 29 tones of carbon from equipment (truck, tractors coolers). But they statements are prefixed with "About, around"



The thing is that for that particular farm the amount of acres is actually 300 not 150. They state they have 300 acres of which 150 is used for hayland and second part for grassland. And the result, of 554, is based on those 300 acres. Someone who made the infographic "tweaked" data a little to have better visual outcome.







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    Any comment on the flawed modelling that suggests they will continue to sequester 3 percentage points of organic material in the ground per year, meaning in 50 years the soil will >150% organic matter?

    – Oddthinking
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    @Oddthinking - perhaps it translates better into a 3% deepening of the organic layer in the soil. e.g. deeper topsoil?

    – IronEagle
    3 hours ago












  • 2





    Any comment on the flawed modelling that suggests they will continue to sequester 3 percentage points of organic material in the ground per year, meaning in 50 years the soil will >150% organic matter?

    – Oddthinking
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    @Oddthinking - perhaps it translates better into a 3% deepening of the organic layer in the soil. e.g. deeper topsoil?

    – IronEagle
    3 hours ago







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2





Any comment on the flawed modelling that suggests they will continue to sequester 3 percentage points of organic material in the ground per year, meaning in 50 years the soil will >150% organic matter?

– Oddthinking
9 hours ago





Any comment on the flawed modelling that suggests they will continue to sequester 3 percentage points of organic material in the ground per year, meaning in 50 years the soil will >150% organic matter?

– Oddthinking
9 hours ago




1




1





@Oddthinking - perhaps it translates better into a 3% deepening of the organic layer in the soil. e.g. deeper topsoil?

– IronEagle
3 hours ago





@Oddthinking - perhaps it translates better into a 3% deepening of the organic layer in the soil. e.g. deeper topsoil?

– IronEagle
3 hours ago



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