What is the maximum number of PC-controlled undead?Can a lich be controlled by control undead?What is the maximum number of Cantrips you can get by 20th level?What is the most powerful permanent undead follower you can get?Is there a limit to the number of undead controlled with Ranks of Pale Bone?Does the undead controlled by the Oathbreaker paladin's Control Undead ability get advantage/disadvantage on the saving throw?What is the maximum number of tool proficiencies a character can gain?Can an undead creature be nonmagically controlled or trained?What are the options for animated undead for a Necromancer?

Can a one way NS Ticket be used as an OV-Chipkaart for P+R Parking in Amsterdam?

In a topological space if there exists a loop that cannot be contracted to a point does there exist a simple loop that cannot be contracted also?

Best gun to modify into a monsterhunter weapon?

How do I explain to a team that the project they will work on for six months will certainly be cancelled?

Author changing name

In reversi, can you overwrite two chips in one move?

How can I iterate this process?

In Pokémon Go, why does one of my Pikachu have an option to evolve, but another one doesn't?

'sudo apt-get update' get a warning

Infeasibility in mathematical optimization models

A stranger from Norway wants to have money delivered to me

Max Order of an Isogeny Class of Rational Elliptic Curves is 8?

Generator for parity?

Drawing complex inscribed and circumscribed polygons in TikZ

What does Apple mean by "This may decrease battery life"?

Blocking people from taking pictures of me with smartphone

Does two puncture wounds mean venomous snake?

English - Acceptable use of parentheses in an author's name

Ex-contractor published company source code and secrets online

Word or idiom defining something barely functional

What word can be used to describe a bug in a movie?

Why are Gatwick's runways too close together?

Why couldn't soldiers sight their own weapons without officers' orders?

Double blind peer review when paper cites author's GitHub repo for code



What is the maximum number of PC-controlled undead?


Can a lich be controlled by control undead?What is the maximum number of Cantrips you can get by 20th level?What is the most powerful permanent undead follower you can get?Is there a limit to the number of undead controlled with Ranks of Pale Bone?Does the undead controlled by the Oathbreaker paladin's Control Undead ability get advantage/disadvantage on the saving throw?What is the maximum number of tool proficiencies a character can gain?Can an undead creature be nonmagically controlled or trained?What are the options for animated undead for a Necromancer?






.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;








3












$begingroup$


I decided to make an unreasonable demand from nearby town and to gain an advantage in upcoming dispute I want an undead horde reinforcing my arguments. I am not looking for quality (after all, those buffoons can't tell skeleton from lich), but quantity.



My question is: how many undead creatures a Player Character can have under their control at the same time?



Constraints:



  • Only official WOTC content.

  • Small and larger undead only: it is hard to be intimidated by something you have to look for.

  • Target number should be able to be attained without explicit DM cooperation. No dozens of tomes thrown at character, no unlikely situations, no DM fiat (so no Boons, for example).

  • No Legendary magic items.

  • After attaining desired amount of undead, character should be able to sustain that amount for at least seven days without outside help while travelling with the horde.









share|improve this question











$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    What extent of magic items are available then? How many rings with spells stored in them? Is the PC acting entirely alone or can they use resources from other characters as well during the summoning portion? Can the caster summon creatures to help them maintain the undead?
    $endgroup$
    – Medix2
    8 hours ago











  • $begingroup$
    @Medix2 No more that 1 copy of any permanent magic item. I would say, in typical campaing character will get around 25 magic items: up to 4 very rare items and up to seven of each category below (based on treasure distribution in XGTE). PC can use outside help while gathering his horde, but after he departs on his 7-days journey, he will act completely alone.
    $endgroup$
    – Revolver_Ocelot
    8 hours ago

















3












$begingroup$


I decided to make an unreasonable demand from nearby town and to gain an advantage in upcoming dispute I want an undead horde reinforcing my arguments. I am not looking for quality (after all, those buffoons can't tell skeleton from lich), but quantity.



My question is: how many undead creatures a Player Character can have under their control at the same time?



Constraints:



  • Only official WOTC content.

  • Small and larger undead only: it is hard to be intimidated by something you have to look for.

  • Target number should be able to be attained without explicit DM cooperation. No dozens of tomes thrown at character, no unlikely situations, no DM fiat (so no Boons, for example).

  • No Legendary magic items.

  • After attaining desired amount of undead, character should be able to sustain that amount for at least seven days without outside help while travelling with the horde.









share|improve this question











$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    What extent of magic items are available then? How many rings with spells stored in them? Is the PC acting entirely alone or can they use resources from other characters as well during the summoning portion? Can the caster summon creatures to help them maintain the undead?
    $endgroup$
    – Medix2
    8 hours ago











  • $begingroup$
    @Medix2 No more that 1 copy of any permanent magic item. I would say, in typical campaing character will get around 25 magic items: up to 4 very rare items and up to seven of each category below (based on treasure distribution in XGTE). PC can use outside help while gathering his horde, but after he departs on his 7-days journey, he will act completely alone.
    $endgroup$
    – Revolver_Ocelot
    8 hours ago













3












3








3





$begingroup$


I decided to make an unreasonable demand from nearby town and to gain an advantage in upcoming dispute I want an undead horde reinforcing my arguments. I am not looking for quality (after all, those buffoons can't tell skeleton from lich), but quantity.



My question is: how many undead creatures a Player Character can have under their control at the same time?



Constraints:



  • Only official WOTC content.

  • Small and larger undead only: it is hard to be intimidated by something you have to look for.

  • Target number should be able to be attained without explicit DM cooperation. No dozens of tomes thrown at character, no unlikely situations, no DM fiat (so no Boons, for example).

  • No Legendary magic items.

  • After attaining desired amount of undead, character should be able to sustain that amount for at least seven days without outside help while travelling with the horde.









share|improve this question











$endgroup$




I decided to make an unreasonable demand from nearby town and to gain an advantage in upcoming dispute I want an undead horde reinforcing my arguments. I am not looking for quality (after all, those buffoons can't tell skeleton from lich), but quantity.



My question is: how many undead creatures a Player Character can have under their control at the same time?



Constraints:



  • Only official WOTC content.

  • Small and larger undead only: it is hard to be intimidated by something you have to look for.

  • Target number should be able to be attained without explicit DM cooperation. No dozens of tomes thrown at character, no unlikely situations, no DM fiat (so no Boons, for example).

  • No Legendary magic items.

  • After attaining desired amount of undead, character should be able to sustain that amount for at least seven days without outside help while travelling with the horde.






dnd-5e optimization undead necromancy






share|improve this question















share|improve this question













share|improve this question




share|improve this question








edited 3 hours ago









V2Blast

33.3k5 gold badges121 silver badges208 bronze badges




33.3k5 gold badges121 silver badges208 bronze badges










asked 8 hours ago









Revolver_OcelotRevolver_Ocelot

1,6597 silver badges12 bronze badges




1,6597 silver badges12 bronze badges














  • $begingroup$
    What extent of magic items are available then? How many rings with spells stored in them? Is the PC acting entirely alone or can they use resources from other characters as well during the summoning portion? Can the caster summon creatures to help them maintain the undead?
    $endgroup$
    – Medix2
    8 hours ago











  • $begingroup$
    @Medix2 No more that 1 copy of any permanent magic item. I would say, in typical campaing character will get around 25 magic items: up to 4 very rare items and up to seven of each category below (based on treasure distribution in XGTE). PC can use outside help while gathering his horde, but after he departs on his 7-days journey, he will act completely alone.
    $endgroup$
    – Revolver_Ocelot
    8 hours ago
















  • $begingroup$
    What extent of magic items are available then? How many rings with spells stored in them? Is the PC acting entirely alone or can they use resources from other characters as well during the summoning portion? Can the caster summon creatures to help them maintain the undead?
    $endgroup$
    – Medix2
    8 hours ago











  • $begingroup$
    @Medix2 No more that 1 copy of any permanent magic item. I would say, in typical campaing character will get around 25 magic items: up to 4 very rare items and up to seven of each category below (based on treasure distribution in XGTE). PC can use outside help while gathering his horde, but after he departs on his 7-days journey, he will act completely alone.
    $endgroup$
    – Revolver_Ocelot
    8 hours ago















$begingroup$
What extent of magic items are available then? How many rings with spells stored in them? Is the PC acting entirely alone or can they use resources from other characters as well during the summoning portion? Can the caster summon creatures to help them maintain the undead?
$endgroup$
– Medix2
8 hours ago





$begingroup$
What extent of magic items are available then? How many rings with spells stored in them? Is the PC acting entirely alone or can they use resources from other characters as well during the summoning portion? Can the caster summon creatures to help them maintain the undead?
$endgroup$
– Medix2
8 hours ago













$begingroup$
@Medix2 No more that 1 copy of any permanent magic item. I would say, in typical campaing character will get around 25 magic items: up to 4 very rare items and up to seven of each category below (based on treasure distribution in XGTE). PC can use outside help while gathering his horde, but after he departs on his 7-days journey, he will act completely alone.
$endgroup$
– Revolver_Ocelot
8 hours ago




$begingroup$
@Medix2 No more that 1 copy of any permanent magic item. I would say, in typical campaing character will get around 25 magic items: up to 4 very rare items and up to seven of each category below (based on treasure distribution in XGTE). PC can use outside help while gathering his horde, but after he departs on his 7-days journey, he will act completely alone.
$endgroup$
– Revolver_Ocelot
8 hours ago










2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes


















6












$begingroup$

Unlimited



There is no upper limit to the number of undead that you can control...the process is pretty simple, too.



  1. Attain access to True Polymorph

  2. Turn yourself into a Death Tyrant Beholder, hold the spell until it becomes permanent

  3. Massacre vast numbers of humanoids while within your Negative Energy Cone. Target goblins or orcs if you have something resembling scruples.


    Any humanoid that dies there becomes a zombie under the tyrant’s command.




  4. Do whatever you want.

There is no upper limit to how many zombies a Death Tyrant can command. So.... have fun!



You can have a friend Dispel Magic on you if you ever get tired of being a Death Tyrant... but make sure to lock up your Zombie Horde first.






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$














  • $begingroup$
    And here I was, trying to optimise beyond 113 zombies. I doubt someone going to beat that, but I will hold off accepting this answer for now to not discourage alternative answers.
    $endgroup$
    – Revolver_Ocelot
    7 hours ago


















2












$begingroup$

Unlimited (even if you don't want to be a Beholder)



While the concept is bizarre to me, some people might not want to spend their time as a Beholder... For them, the process is actually simpler.



  1. Attain access to Finger of Death

  2. Wander through the land, murdering hapless peasants.


    A humanoid killed by this spell rises at the start of your next turn
    as a zombie that is permanently under your command, following your
    verbal orders to the best of its ability.




  3. Do whatever you want.

Just be careful not to get silenced, or at least issue contingency orders for if you do. Otherwise you might find yourself with a large horde of directionless undead.






share|improve this answer









$endgroup$














  • $begingroup$
    This is a better answer... any reasonable DM would make all the created undead from time spent as a Death Tyrant free when the True Polymorph wore off, so it is not "permanent" in that regard.
    $endgroup$
    – Slagmoth
    56 mins ago













Your Answer








StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "122"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);

else
createEditor();

);

function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);



);













draft saved

draft discarded


















StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f153317%2fwhat-is-the-maximum-number-of-pc-controlled-undead%23new-answer', 'question_page');

);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown

























2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes








2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes









active

oldest

votes






active

oldest

votes









6












$begingroup$

Unlimited



There is no upper limit to the number of undead that you can control...the process is pretty simple, too.



  1. Attain access to True Polymorph

  2. Turn yourself into a Death Tyrant Beholder, hold the spell until it becomes permanent

  3. Massacre vast numbers of humanoids while within your Negative Energy Cone. Target goblins or orcs if you have something resembling scruples.


    Any humanoid that dies there becomes a zombie under the tyrant’s command.




  4. Do whatever you want.

There is no upper limit to how many zombies a Death Tyrant can command. So.... have fun!



You can have a friend Dispel Magic on you if you ever get tired of being a Death Tyrant... but make sure to lock up your Zombie Horde first.






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$














  • $begingroup$
    And here I was, trying to optimise beyond 113 zombies. I doubt someone going to beat that, but I will hold off accepting this answer for now to not discourage alternative answers.
    $endgroup$
    – Revolver_Ocelot
    7 hours ago















6












$begingroup$

Unlimited



There is no upper limit to the number of undead that you can control...the process is pretty simple, too.



  1. Attain access to True Polymorph

  2. Turn yourself into a Death Tyrant Beholder, hold the spell until it becomes permanent

  3. Massacre vast numbers of humanoids while within your Negative Energy Cone. Target goblins or orcs if you have something resembling scruples.


    Any humanoid that dies there becomes a zombie under the tyrant’s command.




  4. Do whatever you want.

There is no upper limit to how many zombies a Death Tyrant can command. So.... have fun!



You can have a friend Dispel Magic on you if you ever get tired of being a Death Tyrant... but make sure to lock up your Zombie Horde first.






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$














  • $begingroup$
    And here I was, trying to optimise beyond 113 zombies. I doubt someone going to beat that, but I will hold off accepting this answer for now to not discourage alternative answers.
    $endgroup$
    – Revolver_Ocelot
    7 hours ago













6












6








6





$begingroup$

Unlimited



There is no upper limit to the number of undead that you can control...the process is pretty simple, too.



  1. Attain access to True Polymorph

  2. Turn yourself into a Death Tyrant Beholder, hold the spell until it becomes permanent

  3. Massacre vast numbers of humanoids while within your Negative Energy Cone. Target goblins or orcs if you have something resembling scruples.


    Any humanoid that dies there becomes a zombie under the tyrant’s command.




  4. Do whatever you want.

There is no upper limit to how many zombies a Death Tyrant can command. So.... have fun!



You can have a friend Dispel Magic on you if you ever get tired of being a Death Tyrant... but make sure to lock up your Zombie Horde first.






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$



Unlimited



There is no upper limit to the number of undead that you can control...the process is pretty simple, too.



  1. Attain access to True Polymorph

  2. Turn yourself into a Death Tyrant Beholder, hold the spell until it becomes permanent

  3. Massacre vast numbers of humanoids while within your Negative Energy Cone. Target goblins or orcs if you have something resembling scruples.


    Any humanoid that dies there becomes a zombie under the tyrant’s command.




  4. Do whatever you want.

There is no upper limit to how many zombies a Death Tyrant can command. So.... have fun!



You can have a friend Dispel Magic on you if you ever get tired of being a Death Tyrant... but make sure to lock up your Zombie Horde first.







share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








edited 3 hours ago









V2Blast

33.3k5 gold badges121 silver badges208 bronze badges




33.3k5 gold badges121 silver badges208 bronze badges










answered 7 hours ago









guildsbountyguildsbounty

42.2k8 gold badges174 silver badges202 bronze badges




42.2k8 gold badges174 silver badges202 bronze badges














  • $begingroup$
    And here I was, trying to optimise beyond 113 zombies. I doubt someone going to beat that, but I will hold off accepting this answer for now to not discourage alternative answers.
    $endgroup$
    – Revolver_Ocelot
    7 hours ago
















  • $begingroup$
    And here I was, trying to optimise beyond 113 zombies. I doubt someone going to beat that, but I will hold off accepting this answer for now to not discourage alternative answers.
    $endgroup$
    – Revolver_Ocelot
    7 hours ago















$begingroup$
And here I was, trying to optimise beyond 113 zombies. I doubt someone going to beat that, but I will hold off accepting this answer for now to not discourage alternative answers.
$endgroup$
– Revolver_Ocelot
7 hours ago




$begingroup$
And here I was, trying to optimise beyond 113 zombies. I doubt someone going to beat that, but I will hold off accepting this answer for now to not discourage alternative answers.
$endgroup$
– Revolver_Ocelot
7 hours ago













2












$begingroup$

Unlimited (even if you don't want to be a Beholder)



While the concept is bizarre to me, some people might not want to spend their time as a Beholder... For them, the process is actually simpler.



  1. Attain access to Finger of Death

  2. Wander through the land, murdering hapless peasants.


    A humanoid killed by this spell rises at the start of your next turn
    as a zombie that is permanently under your command, following your
    verbal orders to the best of its ability.




  3. Do whatever you want.

Just be careful not to get silenced, or at least issue contingency orders for if you do. Otherwise you might find yourself with a large horde of directionless undead.






share|improve this answer









$endgroup$














  • $begingroup$
    This is a better answer... any reasonable DM would make all the created undead from time spent as a Death Tyrant free when the True Polymorph wore off, so it is not "permanent" in that regard.
    $endgroup$
    – Slagmoth
    56 mins ago















2












$begingroup$

Unlimited (even if you don't want to be a Beholder)



While the concept is bizarre to me, some people might not want to spend their time as a Beholder... For them, the process is actually simpler.



  1. Attain access to Finger of Death

  2. Wander through the land, murdering hapless peasants.


    A humanoid killed by this spell rises at the start of your next turn
    as a zombie that is permanently under your command, following your
    verbal orders to the best of its ability.




  3. Do whatever you want.

Just be careful not to get silenced, or at least issue contingency orders for if you do. Otherwise you might find yourself with a large horde of directionless undead.






share|improve this answer









$endgroup$














  • $begingroup$
    This is a better answer... any reasonable DM would make all the created undead from time spent as a Death Tyrant free when the True Polymorph wore off, so it is not "permanent" in that regard.
    $endgroup$
    – Slagmoth
    56 mins ago













2












2








2





$begingroup$

Unlimited (even if you don't want to be a Beholder)



While the concept is bizarre to me, some people might not want to spend their time as a Beholder... For them, the process is actually simpler.



  1. Attain access to Finger of Death

  2. Wander through the land, murdering hapless peasants.


    A humanoid killed by this spell rises at the start of your next turn
    as a zombie that is permanently under your command, following your
    verbal orders to the best of its ability.




  3. Do whatever you want.

Just be careful not to get silenced, or at least issue contingency orders for if you do. Otherwise you might find yourself with a large horde of directionless undead.






share|improve this answer









$endgroup$



Unlimited (even if you don't want to be a Beholder)



While the concept is bizarre to me, some people might not want to spend their time as a Beholder... For them, the process is actually simpler.



  1. Attain access to Finger of Death

  2. Wander through the land, murdering hapless peasants.


    A humanoid killed by this spell rises at the start of your next turn
    as a zombie that is permanently under your command, following your
    verbal orders to the best of its ability.




  3. Do whatever you want.

Just be careful not to get silenced, or at least issue contingency orders for if you do. Otherwise you might find yourself with a large horde of directionless undead.







share|improve this answer












share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer










answered 3 hours ago









LarkeithLarkeith

2803 bronze badges




2803 bronze badges














  • $begingroup$
    This is a better answer... any reasonable DM would make all the created undead from time spent as a Death Tyrant free when the True Polymorph wore off, so it is not "permanent" in that regard.
    $endgroup$
    – Slagmoth
    56 mins ago
















  • $begingroup$
    This is a better answer... any reasonable DM would make all the created undead from time spent as a Death Tyrant free when the True Polymorph wore off, so it is not "permanent" in that regard.
    $endgroup$
    – Slagmoth
    56 mins ago















$begingroup$
This is a better answer... any reasonable DM would make all the created undead from time spent as a Death Tyrant free when the True Polymorph wore off, so it is not "permanent" in that regard.
$endgroup$
– Slagmoth
56 mins ago




$begingroup$
This is a better answer... any reasonable DM would make all the created undead from time spent as a Death Tyrant free when the True Polymorph wore off, so it is not "permanent" in that regard.
$endgroup$
– Slagmoth
56 mins ago

















draft saved

draft discarded
















































Thanks for contributing an answer to Role-playing Games Stack Exchange!


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid


  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




draft saved


draft discarded














StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f153317%2fwhat-is-the-maximum-number-of-pc-controlled-undead%23new-answer', 'question_page');

);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown





















































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown

































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown







Popular posts from this blog

ParseJSON using SSJSUsing AMPscript with SSJS ActivitiesHow to resubscribe a user in Marketing cloud using SSJS?Pulling Subscriber Status from Lists using SSJSRetrieving Emails using SSJSProblem in updating DE using SSJSUsing SSJS to send single email in Marketing CloudError adding EmailSendDefinition using SSJS

Кампала Садржај Географија Географија Историја Становништво Привреда Партнерски градови Референце Спољашње везе Мени за навигацију0°11′ СГШ; 32°20′ ИГД / 0.18° СГШ; 32.34° ИГД / 0.18; 32.340°11′ СГШ; 32°20′ ИГД / 0.18° СГШ; 32.34° ИГД / 0.18; 32.34МедијиПодациЗванични веб-сајту

19. јануар Садржај Догађаји Рођења Смрти Празници и дани сећања Види још Референце Мени за навигацијуу