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What is the correct parsing of お高くとまる?
How did the ざ in 様ざまみろ get the dakuten?What does the idiom 体が余る mean?Correct Particle Usage“over in the blink of an eye”?Is this sentence correct? courtesy/honorific use of the passiveの or を？ What is the correct answer and why is it correct?Is 神を more “correct” than 神?What does 全中制覇 means?Could someone please explain the correct translation of this sentence?Grammatic relationships inside a sentence - parsing
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I had always thought that the phrase お高くとまる consisted of the adverbial お高く combined with the verb とまる. I never actually paid much attention to the literal meaning since it is obviously a figurative phrase (meaning 'to assume an air of importance'). However, I noticed in a dictionary that the と might actually be an adverbial と rather than being part of the verb. See below:
In the 例文 example, it is written in katakana as ト, presumably to differentiate it from まる. So I searched for the verb まる (lemma) but I could only find one instance:
The doesn't seem to make sense in the context unless the meaning is derived from something like "to excrete from a high place" or something like that. Maybe that's possible?
So is it とまる (one word) or is it ～（と）まる (particle plus verb)?
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I had always thought that the phrase お高くとまる consisted of the adverbial お高く combined with the verb とまる. I never actually paid much attention to the literal meaning since it is obviously a figurative phrase (meaning 'to assume an air of importance'). However, I noticed in a dictionary that the と might actually be an adverbial と rather than being part of the verb. See below:
In the 例文 example, it is written in katakana as ト, presumably to differentiate it from まる. So I searched for the verb まる (lemma) but I could only find one instance:
The doesn't seem to make sense in the context unless the meaning is derived from something like "to excrete from a high place" or something like that. Maybe that's possible?
So is it とまる (one word) or is it ～（と）まる (particle plus verb)?
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I had always thought that the phrase お高くとまる consisted of the adverbial お高く combined with the verb とまる. I never actually paid much attention to the literal meaning since it is obviously a figurative phrase (meaning 'to assume an air of importance'). However, I noticed in a dictionary that the と might actually be an adverbial と rather than being part of the verb. See below:
In the 例文 example, it is written in katakana as ト, presumably to differentiate it from まる. So I searched for the verb まる (lemma) but I could only find one instance:
The doesn't seem to make sense in the context unless the meaning is derived from something like "to excrete from a high place" or something like that. Maybe that's possible?
So is it とまる (one word) or is it ～（と）まる (particle plus verb)?
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I had always thought that the phrase お高くとまる consisted of the adverbial お高く combined with the verb とまる. I never actually paid much attention to the literal meaning since it is obviously a figurative phrase (meaning 'to assume an air of importance'). However, I noticed in a dictionary that the と might actually be an adverbial と rather than being part of the verb. See below:
In the 例文 example, it is written in katakana as ト, presumably to differentiate it from まる. So I searched for the verb まる (lemma) but I could only find one instance:
The doesn't seem to make sense in the context unless the meaning is derived from something like "to excrete from a high place" or something like that. Maybe that's possible?
So is it とまる (one word) or is it ～（と）まる (particle plus verb)?
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I'm curious which dictionary you used to find that odd kana-ization?
Searching for the kana string おたかくとまる over on Kotobank, a decent online dictionary aggregator sourcing from reputable native-language Japanese dictionaries, gives us several relevant pages. The Nihon Kokugo Dai Jiten entry for the 御高くとまる spelling includes the following sample sentence from the 1898 novel 恋慕【れんぼ】ながし by 小【お】栗【ぐり】風【ふう】葉【よう】:
悪【わる】くお高【たか】くばかり留【とま】ってゐりやがって
We also find an entry in the same dictionary for 高【たかく】止【と】まる, with alternative older Western-influenced reading たこうとまる, and a quote from the 1686 work 好【こう】色【しょく】一【いち】代【だい】女【おんな】:
高【たか】ふとまって鶏【けい】鳴【めい】別【わか】れにも客【きゃく】ををくらず
Then in the Daijirin entry for 止まる・留まる・止る・留る・停まる (all various spellings of とまる), we see a note at the bottom of the entry:
［慣用］ お高く－ ・ 御【お】目【め】に－ ／目にも留まらぬ
We have multiple entries in at least two different dictionaries from separate publishers, all indicating that the とまる is the verb, and not adverbial と + some other verb まる. So ultimately, I think the online dictionary you referenced has a typo.
PS: Grammatically, adverbial と after an adjective in the adverbial ～く form would be very odd. That said, language is a human affair and thus inevitably messy and full of oddness, so it's best to check. :)
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It was the ＮＨＫ 日本語発音アクセント辞典 which had the erroneous katakana. Given the evidence in your answer, I tend to agree with you that it must be a typo.
– kandyman
8 hours ago
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I’m not sure why, but that is how the NHK accent dictionary behaves on all entries that have a parenthesized suffix. The first character of the suffix becomes katakana, and the rest hiragana.
– Darius Jahandarie
4 hours ago
How perfectly odd. Makes me wonder if there was some sort of algorithmic hiccup there? I just perused the 凡例 of my electronic version, and there's no explanation of the change between katakana and hiragana that's evident in some entries.
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I'm curious which dictionary you used to find that odd kana-ization?
Searching for the kana string おたかくとまる over on Kotobank, a decent online dictionary aggregator sourcing from reputable native-language Japanese dictionaries, gives us several relevant pages. The Nihon Kokugo Dai Jiten entry for the 御高くとまる spelling includes the following sample sentence from the 1898 novel 恋慕【れんぼ】ながし by 小【お】栗【ぐり】風【ふう】葉【よう】:
悪【わる】くお高【たか】くばかり留【とま】ってゐりやがって
We also find an entry in the same dictionary for 高【たかく】止【と】まる, with alternative older Western-influenced reading たこうとまる, and a quote from the 1686 work 好【こう】色【しょく】一【いち】代【だい】女【おんな】:
高【たか】ふとまって鶏【けい】鳴【めい】別【わか】れにも客【きゃく】ををくらず
Then in the Daijirin entry for 止まる・留まる・止る・留る・停まる (all various spellings of とまる), we see a note at the bottom of the entry:
［慣用］ お高く－ ・ 御【お】目【め】に－ ／目にも留まらぬ
We have multiple entries in at least two different dictionaries from separate publishers, all indicating that the とまる is the verb, and not adverbial と + some other verb まる. So ultimately, I think the online dictionary you referenced has a typo.
PS: Grammatically, adverbial と after an adjective in the adverbial ～く form would be very odd. That said, language is a human affair and thus inevitably messy and full of oddness, so it's best to check. :)
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It was the ＮＨＫ 日本語発音アクセント辞典 which had the erroneous katakana. Given the evidence in your answer, I tend to agree with you that it must be a typo.
– kandyman
8 hours ago
2
I’m not sure why, but that is how the NHK accent dictionary behaves on all entries that have a parenthesized suffix. The first character of the suffix becomes katakana, and the rest hiragana.
– Darius Jahandarie
4 hours ago
How perfectly odd. Makes me wonder if there was some sort of algorithmic hiccup there? I just perused the 凡例 of my electronic version, and there's no explanation of the change between katakana and hiragana that's evident in some entries.
– Eiríkr Útlendi
3 hours ago
add a comment |
I'm curious which dictionary you used to find that odd kana-ization?
Searching for the kana string おたかくとまる over on Kotobank, a decent online dictionary aggregator sourcing from reputable native-language Japanese dictionaries, gives us several relevant pages. The Nihon Kokugo Dai Jiten entry for the 御高くとまる spelling includes the following sample sentence from the 1898 novel 恋慕【れんぼ】ながし by 小【お】栗【ぐり】風【ふう】葉【よう】:
悪【わる】くお高【たか】くばかり留【とま】ってゐりやがって
We also find an entry in the same dictionary for 高【たかく】止【と】まる, with alternative older Western-influenced reading たこうとまる, and a quote from the 1686 work 好【こう】色【しょく】一【いち】代【だい】女【おんな】:
高【たか】ふとまって鶏【けい】鳴【めい】別【わか】れにも客【きゃく】ををくらず
Then in the Daijirin entry for 止まる・留まる・止る・留る・停まる (all various spellings of とまる), we see a note at the bottom of the entry:
［慣用］ お高く－ ・ 御【お】目【め】に－ ／目にも留まらぬ
We have multiple entries in at least two different dictionaries from separate publishers, all indicating that the とまる is the verb, and not adverbial と + some other verb まる. So ultimately, I think the online dictionary you referenced has a typo.
PS: Grammatically, adverbial と after an adjective in the adverbial ～く form would be very odd. That said, language is a human affair and thus inevitably messy and full of oddness, so it's best to check. :)
answered 8 hours ago
Eiríkr ÚtlendiEiríkr Útlendi
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It was the ＮＨＫ 日本語発音アクセント辞典 which had the erroneous katakana. Given the evidence in your answer, I tend to agree with you that it must be a typo.
– kandyman
8 hours ago
2
I’m not sure why, but that is how the NHK accent dictionary behaves on all entries that have a parenthesized suffix. The first character of the suffix becomes katakana, and the rest hiragana.
– Darius Jahandarie
4 hours ago
How perfectly odd. Makes me wonder if there was some sort of algorithmic hiccup there? I just perused the 凡例 of my electronic version, and there's no explanation of the change between katakana and hiragana that's evident in some entries.
– Eiríkr Útlendi
3 hours ago
add a comment |
I'm curious which dictionary you used to find that odd kana-ization?
Searching for the kana string おたかくとまる over on Kotobank, a decent online dictionary aggregator sourcing from reputable native-language Japanese dictionaries, gives us several relevant pages. The Nihon Kokugo Dai Jiten entry for the 御高くとまる spelling includes the following sample sentence from the 1898 novel 恋慕【れんぼ】ながし by 小【お】栗【ぐり】風【ふう】葉【よう】:
悪【わる】くお高【たか】くばかり留【とま】ってゐりやがって
We also find an entry in the same dictionary for 高【たかく】止【と】まる, with alternative older Western-influenced reading たこうとまる, and a quote from the 1686 work 好【こう】色【しょく】一【いち】代【だい】女【おんな】:
高【たか】ふとまって鶏【けい】鳴【めい】別【わか】れにも客【きゃく】ををくらず
Then in the Daijirin entry for 止まる・留まる・止る・留る・停まる (all various spellings of とまる), we see a note at the bottom of the entry:
［慣用］ お高く－ ・ 御【お】目【め】に－ ／目にも留まらぬ
We have multiple entries in at least two different dictionaries from separate publishers, all indicating that the とまる is the verb, and not adverbial と + some other verb まる. So ultimately, I think the online dictionary you referenced has a typo.
PS: Grammatically, adverbial と after an adjective in the adverbial ～く form would be very odd. That said, language is a human affair and thus inevitably messy and full of oddness, so it's best to check. :)
answered 8 hours ago
Eiríkr ÚtlendiEiríkr Útlendi
20.2k1 gold badge37 silver badges71 bronze badges
I'm curious which dictionary you used to find that odd kana-ization?
Searching for the kana string おたかくとまる over on Kotobank, a decent online dictionary aggregator sourcing from reputable native-language Japanese dictionaries, gives us several relevant pages. The Nihon Kokugo Dai Jiten entry for the 御高くとまる spelling includes the following sample sentence from the 1898 novel 恋慕【れんぼ】ながし by 小【お】栗【ぐり】風【ふう】葉【よう】:
悪【わる】くお高【たか】くばかり留【とま】ってゐりやがって
We also find an entry in the same dictionary for 高【たかく】止【と】まる, with alternative older Western-influenced reading たこうとまる, and a quote from the 1686 work 好【こう】色【しょく】一【いち】代【だい】女【おんな】:
高【たか】ふとまって鶏【けい】鳴【めい】別【わか】れにも客【きゃく】ををくらず
Then in the Daijirin entry for 止まる・留まる・止る・留る・停まる (all various spellings of とまる), we see a note at the bottom of the entry:
［慣用］ お高く－ ・ 御【お】目【め】に－ ／目にも留まらぬ
We have multiple entries in at least two different dictionaries from separate publishers, all indicating that the とまる is the verb, and not adverbial と + some other verb まる. So ultimately, I think the online dictionary you referenced has a typo.
PS: Grammatically, adverbial と after an adjective in the adverbial ～く form would be very odd. That said, language is a human affair and thus inevitably messy and full of oddness, so it's best to check. :)
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It was the ＮＨＫ 日本語発音アクセント辞典 which had the erroneous katakana. Given the evidence in your answer, I tend to agree with you that it must be a typo.
– kandyman
8 hours ago
2
I’m not sure why, but that is how the NHK accent dictionary behaves on all entries that have a parenthesized suffix. The first character of the suffix becomes katakana, and the rest hiragana.
– Darius Jahandarie
4 hours ago
How perfectly odd. Makes me wonder if there was some sort of algorithmic hiccup there? I just perused the 凡例 of my electronic version, and there's no explanation of the change between katakana and hiragana that's evident in some entries.
– Eiríkr Útlendi
3 hours ago
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It was the ＮＨＫ 日本語発音アクセント辞典 which had the erroneous katakana. Given the evidence in your answer, I tend to agree with you that it must be a typo.
– kandyman
8 hours ago
2
I’m not sure why, but that is how the NHK accent dictionary behaves on all entries that have a parenthesized suffix. The first character of the suffix becomes katakana, and the rest hiragana.
– Darius Jahandarie
4 hours ago
How perfectly odd. Makes me wonder if there was some sort of algorithmic hiccup there? I just perused the 凡例 of my electronic version, and there's no explanation of the change between katakana and hiragana that's evident in some entries.
– Eiríkr Útlendi
3 hours ago
2
2
It was the ＮＨＫ 日本語発音アクセント辞典 which had the erroneous katakana. Given the evidence in your answer, I tend to agree with you that it must be a typo.
– kandyman
8 hours ago
It was the ＮＨＫ 日本語発音アクセント辞典 which had the erroneous katakana. Given the evidence in your answer, I tend to agree with you that it must be a typo.
– kandyman
8 hours ago
2
2
I’m not sure why, but that is how the NHK accent dictionary behaves on all entries that have a parenthesized suffix. The first character of the suffix becomes katakana, and the rest hiragana.
– Darius Jahandarie
4 hours ago
I’m not sure why, but that is how the NHK accent dictionary behaves on all entries that have a parenthesized suffix. The first character of the suffix becomes katakana, and the rest hiragana.
– Darius Jahandarie
4 hours ago
How perfectly odd. Makes me wonder if there was some sort of algorithmic hiccup there? I just perused the 凡例 of my electronic version, and there's no explanation of the change between katakana and hiragana that's evident in some entries.
– Eiríkr Útlendi
3 hours ago
How perfectly odd. Makes me wonder if there was some sort of algorithmic hiccup there? I just perused the 凡例 of my electronic version, and there's no explanation of the change between katakana and hiragana that's evident in some entries.
– Eiríkr Útlendi
3 hours ago
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